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I have nothing against the kid as a person, never did, but I never wanted him, I hated his purchase, and I never thought he'd cut it at Liverpool, especially when we'd been accustomed to some great players up top. I've always said this, even despite differences of opinion, so if nothing else, I've been consistent.
Obviously the answer is no, but I have to ask, and yes it's sarcastic, hopefully the humor will be found too... Do you still think Andy Carroll will "come good" for Liverpool?
I suppose the question is, which I personally don't, and can't imagine several others care, will he come good at WHU?
What this does do (assuming he agrees to terms and wages or we get stuck with a taller heavier Joe Cole, with more hair, who has more goals btw), is free up another 60-70K in wages, and with whatever the end fee is, will go directly back into the chest for Rodgers to spend in the summer..
And yes, Rodgers will be here in the summer. Considering we didn't add Ince, but presumably will, let's say Andy gets 15M, and FSG stump up another 20-30M, we could very well see ourselves adding one of the "ELITE" attacking players in Europe.
Table wise, and Champions League wise, we are clearly not where we want to be yet, but after spending alot in January, compared to teams above us, and bigger ones in Europe even, further money available and us building a more skilled, talented and faster squad, will improve our chances of recruiting bigger and better names.. Perhaps it's ok to dream of XYZ player until Summer comes!
Sorry Andy, perhaps a full time change in scenery and hairdo, will make him "come good" and score 30 goals..
Obviously if David Sullivan is lying, or gave the interview from the pub, I need to discard this post.
" one of the "ELITE" attacking players in Europe.
".. Thats the problem isn't it..
Other clubs could sign more than one ELITE player in Europe and we could barely afford one.. If thats the case..
Just goes to show what paupers we have as owners at LFC..
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Maybe the math didn't add up..
15M (guestimate) on Carroll, plus his wages saved, brings around 20M.. Cole and Sahin's wages gone, another 6-8M, then another 20-30M from the Owners.. aka the "paupers"..
So, those numbers are roughly around 50M, give or take, and several world class players can be had for 20-30M.. then there are others in the 40+ range, and 50+ range.. Don't think we'll see many more of those in years to come.. So say we spend 25+ on ONE, add Ince, and add another for 15-20M, that's again roughly 50M spent.. for 3 players. Not enough I suppose?
I also suppose, us, LFC & FSG, spending 20.5M, third behind QPR 22.4M and Newcastle 20.5M, on multiple players, vs our 2, really shows what "Paupers" they are.. Even though City spent almost 0, Spurs spent 0, Chelsea spent 8M, Everton spent 3M..
Perhaps when making a comment of how many "elite" we can buy, vs other clubs, you should take into account, what other clubs already have at their disposal, while we've been rebuilding for only 1 season under a new manager..
Chelsea can afford to buy 2, because they may only need 2, same for United and City.. We need several more players, and they can't all be the "ELITE" costs because you can't build a squad for the present and future by buying just one player..
Eh, I continue to ask myself why I bother..
Anyways, goodbye Andy, I hope. (sorry to those who don't like that)..
jason...irregardless of how Andy fares rest oif this season think it highly likely he will end up back with us...just dont see WHU matching the salary he is on with us . I still see him as the great...PLAN B evenif only coming off the bench. WHU have an agreement to buy but it doesnt inc Andy having to sign for them and I assume he is going to want more or less same money to within say a thou or so of his current with us.
What I see as a pos alternative is the loan being extended and no transfer clause at all simply to save his wages and save face for BR ...Which I think would be a mistake for the club and BR who should be big enough to put any bad feeling behind him and Andy and try and nurture Andy into becoming the player Kenny obviously thought he would be ...who knows maybe by end of this season we will be glad to have him back if he shows good form...Swansea are nobodys mugs and WHU were well out of form last result before this 501 whupping from Arsenal..Andy comes back for them and ...WHUMP from the forehead and 3 pts in the bag...would that we had have him startat Oldham hed have sorted out that big lump of a centre forward they had ...u recall the way he defended set pieces ? You think that big lump would have been able to push him around ?
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Colin, the fact is, the game we play now is all dependant on mobility of players and I'm afraid Carroll will not have that mobility as long as he's got a hole in his @rse. He doesn't have the pace either. To be fair, I wanted him to be given more of a chance but he hasn't so as far as I am concerned he is no longer a liverpool player. He should also have played the full 90 in the cup final, but hey-ho. It's not to be!
If we flog him for the reported £18 mil then we can have another class forward for the same bunce in Damaio who would fit our game to a tee! Anyone who saw the Olympics could see that and I think he will be a star-striker someday soon whoever he plays for. Spurs won't be back in for him either it's said.
Armchair - as ever your answer reveals a lot about your mentality, and sadly your intelligence
£200 million is not that much to spend on a footballer today? Really?? As far as I'm aware, the record is Ronaldo for £80 mil, with the economic climate that wont be broken any time soon.
Then you advocate spending 100 million on 2 players!
You totally ignored my question about how many players of £30 million + have City, Chelsea and yeah let's throw in United have signed.
The bragging rights comment is exactly what I would expect from someone who doesn't go the game. Only trophies matter, and taking the p!ss out of the blue sh!tes or Mancs doesn't give me much joy if they end up finishing above us!
Then, unbelievably, you say 'there is another way of being top dog and that's to spend less money on better players.' !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just exactly what the f*ck do you think the club have been trying to do? Sometimes there is a global shaking of the head at what you write! Do you ever think about what you are writing????? Perhaps you should......otherwise you will continue to have less intelligence than the botulism pathogen!
What I'm saying Loki is that the rich clubs in this world wouldn't wouldn't sweat at spending £200m on players..
Thats my point.. Messi for example went for over £100m + wages..
What I was getting at in terms of "bragging rights" is there's 2 ways to look at it. Either buying the top players and show them off and the fans of that club then bragging on who they signed. The other way is to be clever and sign players for clever deals and they then turn out to be good.. case in point Torres & Saurez.. both their values shot up when with us.. Torres' value more or less doubled in price when we sold him.. Suarez's value too looks to have doubled since we aquired him..
Yes i can see what the club is trying to do.. They're buying them young and hopefully will improve enough so their value doubles so if a big offer comes along they more than likely will be moved on.. Then the ball starts rolling again..
BR likes playing 4-3-3,. We've not had the players to make use of it until now..
So with Carroll And Sturridge as the 2 target men and Suarez causing mayhem for defenders behind them it sounds like an ideal plan?
Will BR be bold enough to try it?
sofa...yes sounds like an exciting triple threat to me. BR should be thinking about such as I feel sure we will be seeing Andy back with us before start of new season. Only thing that will change that is if the club negotiate the conditions of an extension to the loan taking him through next season with WHU. Which idea sounds stupid to me as if hes firing on all cylinders and raring to go for us at that time why loan him out and risk a career ending injury where he would then be worth nothing to us just to save his salary ?
The fact that we could and perhaps should have won yesterday is an extremely prudent point.
To come away from the Etihad with a deserved 3 points having spent considerably less than City and still do when you compare the wage structure SHOULD I hope (maybe) give Armchair a little comfort in what the club's trying to achieve.
You could argue that City have finished their building process and are now trying to restructure to get the wage bill under control. I think they'll suffer for it. Perhaps yesterday wa evidence of that whereas I'd like to think we're still in the middle (or perhaps even at the beginning) of our journey.
sofa..think that all this 3he doesnt fit my tactics" was a load of nonsense ...I think for whatever reason there is bad blood between BR and Andy C. and the loan was the easiest way to rig a solution and just ship himout of Anfield rather than have the matter simmer on all season long.
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