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Well done, I was wondering if they were going to go up! Seems we kind of need an authority to make decisions when something is queried! Great weekend of games, guess being midtable means the teams above you are playing each other nearly every week!
Arsenal v West Brom 3-2
Villa v Stoke 1-1
Southampton v Reading 2-2
Sunderland v Chelsea 1-3
Swansea v Norwich 2-0
Wigan v QPR 1-1
ManCity v ManU 2-1
Everton v Spurs 1-0
Westham v LFC 0-1
Fulham v Newcastle 1-1
Sunderland v Reading 1-0
Arsenal v West Brom 3-2
Here's my effort
Villa v Stoke 0-1
Southampton v Reading 1-1
Sunderland v Chelsea 1-2
Swansea v Norwich 3-0
Wigan v QPR 1-0
ManCity v ManU 1-1
Everton v Spurs 0-0
Westham v LFC 0-1
Fulham v Newcastle 1-1
Sunderland v Reading 1-0
Thanks Vuvu for your input.
Appended below are my predictions for his weekend matches:-
Arsenal v West Brom, 1 - 2
Villa v Stoke, 1 - 2
Southampton v Reading, 2 - 1
Sunderland v Chelsea, 0 - 3
Swansea v Norwich, 2 - 0
Wigan v QPR, 1 - 2
ManCity v ManU, 2 - 1
Everton v Spurs, 1 - 2
West Ham v LFC, 0 - 2
Fulham v Newcastle, 2 – 1
Sunderland v Reading, 1 - 2
Jase, Barcelona had 84% possesion that day, crazy to think Celtic had just just 14 mins of the ball! It wasnt just possesion, they had 25 shots as well.
Welcome to channel 5 Robert whilst we are at it. I didn't throw Napoli in there, wouldn't agree with that one to be fair, it was a pretty balanced tie. Against Bayern and Barcelona though, you did get battered, it wasn't just that you defended so well you nullified them, they just blew chance after chance missing open goals and fluffing penalties, that did happen. Yes, your game plan worked but more by luck then judgement (it is luck when world class forwards keep missing sitters). You did the job and won the game and the cup and shouldn't have anything took away for doing so but to be honest, we played better football in the competition when we won it in 2005!
Every now and again one of these experienced workmanlike teams comes and spoils the party, it is almost won with experience, comradery and belief. Greece Euro 2004, Porto champs league 03/04 and the France/Italy teams that somehow made the 2006 Cup final. All of those sides had a massive chunk of luck on their sides. If you had played Barcelona or Bayern Munich 10 times on the spin I would wager money on them both picking up a comfortable tide of victories, they played better football and created more chances, that is why they 'outplayed' you. That is a very different thing from being 'the better team on the day'.
We have been a 'better team on the day' side for a fair few years under Rafa and after that in the games against big clubs when we tend to raise our game. But then we lose to the rubbish sides the following week, I think the philosophy is that when you have all the possesion and all the chances then eventually you should win more then you lose.
I dont think they were great examples Dave either as Chelsea actually were outplayed in those games too.
A better example was chelsea's elimination from the champs league against Barcelona in 2009, would you say that Barcelona were the better team that day or that they outplayed you? I wouldn't, I would say you were robbed.
Against Everton recently we had a goal took off us and Everton scored a goal from a throw in that was incorrectly given, you could argue that the scoreline should have been 3-1 Liverpool but Everton actually outplayed us that day too, its ok, I can admit it when it happens (be it long ball bombardment or whatever). We were outplayed by Chelsea for the majority of the game at Stamford Bridge but looked the more threatening side to win it.
I think there has been a big confusion between outplaying and being better then someone. For me, the best teams and the best players are the most consistent ones, that is why Ashley Cole is still better the Enrique despite Enrique having more ability. The same could be argued between Suarez and Van Persie.
It seems you have a problem that we are happy to see our team playing good football in a time when we don't have the greatest squad. We would like to be at the top of the league or close to it but I think it is fair enough comment that if you play better football and have more possesion, chances, territory then with a few more goalscorers in the side, we will be in the mix sooner rather then later.
It is a tricky question. Joe Cole has not been worth 100k per week but he may have seemed to be at the time of purchase, I was pretty excited about him back then. I don't think even Raheem's agent would send him to Manchester City, it is one thing competing with Downing and Assaidi and another with Nasri and Silva. I think the £20-30k per week deal is the right one but it has to have increments. You score 10 goals or get 10 assists and it is reviewed once again or make 25 appearances and the same. I guess though, you can't offer someone 120k per week then if they don't score be able to reduce it down so maybe we should just pay him £50k now! I am confused now.....
Either way, it is his 18th birthday on saturday so lets see if he is signed up then.
Hello Stefan, good to see you in a pleasant frame of mind.
1) he could be, but at the moment he definitely isn't.
2)he could be, but at the moment we await his return to find out.
3)they were but now they are not. Dortmund are, but maybe soon they wont be or there again they might still be.
4)sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't.
Powell needs games in his correct position against men. Indeed a similar 'problem' faced by Pogba et al.
Juve are probably about the 8th best side in Europe right now, their midfield and other parts of their team is inferior to at least 7 other sides. Italian football is a bit better than it has been lately, but its still inferior to Spain, England and Germany.
I will refrain from personal insults, you do that to yourself.
I would think it is safe to assume an enquiry has already been made, I expect us to be shopping almost instantly.
With the Pepe thing, Brendan came out last night and said that Pepe is not for sale and that reports of us being in for a keeper are wide of the mark, he also went on to say we are looking for a youth keeper for the future whilst he is also trying to extend Brad Jones contract.
There has been speculation for a long time of our interest in Sturridge. Recent speculation forced his agent to comment denying Sturridges wage and playing position demands (£80k per week and I only want to play 'Walcott centre forward') but not denying LFC negotiations.
There is a lot of noise now that a deal has been agreed at £12m and he will be on his way quickly after the window opens, that is interesting for us but probably more interesting for Chelsea who must have something in the pipeline.
Personally I see Sturridge as an excellent round peg, round hole solution. It is a striking option who can play right forward. He would get games up top but also be expected to take up positions in the box when Suarez goes roaming. 1st impressions are that he is a bit of a prick but a good player. I think it makes a lot of sense, what do you guys think?
Yes I've read the same things. Makes sense after the rumours that we tried to sign him on deadline day, and it terms of the position(s) he plays it makes a lot of sense. But he is not a player renowned for his passing or tracking back so I wonder how well he will get on with Mr Rodgers.
"You are an utter fool and deserve nothing but my contempt."
Oh no! He must be gutted. Your contempt???
Say it ain't so.
Enough to fit the places in the team formation with back ups for all of them with sufficient quality, without a history of breaking down with injury and not being available as an option for much of the season.
I wish Wenger was this open with his lack of knowledge in this area.
Were we better than Barcelona or were they better than us? I can't remember. We were certainly robbed by the referee not giving us any penalties. (In stark contrast to the referee last night who gave three penalties in seven minutes, only one of which should have been given in my view.)
I don't "have a problem that we are happy to see our team playing good football in a time when we don't have the greatest squad". I have a problem with the seemingly constant big talk after matches about how brilliant you were, when you are hardly ever winning.
There's a danger of this going round in circles, but I'll make two points. Against both Barcelona and Munich we were behind for very short times before equalising/taking the lead. Goals change games. When we were level or winning we played one way (and so did they). When we were losing we played another. And it worked.
If we had been losing against against Barcelona for most of the match with them bombarding our goal all through and then nicked the Torres winner at the end I'd be more inclined to think we got lucky. But that didn't happen.
The other point is that we have played quite a few games against Barcelona in the CL in recent years. I think you'll find the only two times they beat us in 90 minutes were when we had a player sent off, and one of those we went through on the return leg. My recollection of the scores between us is:
Chelsea 1 Barcelona 0 (nice Drog strike)
Barcelona 2 Chelsea 2 ("I didn't kick him, I'm not like that")
Barcelona 0 Chelsea 0 (Chelsea ground out result)
Chelsea 1 Barcelona 1 ("it's a f***ing disgrace". Ballack should have beat him up)
2007 group stage
Chelsea 1 Barcelona 0 (Hilario's first game, I was right behind the goal)
Barcelona 2 Chelsea 2 (wondrous Lampard goal from near the corner flag)
Chelsea 1 Barcelona 2 (Del Horno red card)
Barcelona 1 Chelsea 1 (we never looked like going through, to be fair, after the early red card in the home game)
Barcelona 2 Chelsea 1 (Drogba dodgy red card)
Chelsea 4 Barcelona 2 (awesome match)
3-2 to Chelsea and a bunch of draws. The history doesn't support your theory.
I try not to think about Pogba Stefan, and I recommend a dose of denial here.
Theres no doubting the loss, yeah he may have had a bad attitude and even wanted to join Juve, but for me he's one of the biggest talents out there and we played Gibson when we could of played him.
You forgot to mention Psychic Jim's Messi comparison with Henriquez, made as soon as we signed him. Dont mention it though, he'll accuse you of getting personal (for stating facts), and believe me he has a nasty side that would rival (and beat) anyones here.
Powell is very raw, lets not judge him too harshly, he was playing the likes of Cheltenham last season!
People need to catch on to Rooney, when a guy scores a couple goals and doesn't celebrate (he rarely does show passion now) there's something wrong in my opinion. Welbeck on the other hand (local boy and really top lad) has the lot. I worry that he wont fulfill his potential due to lack of playing time.
It was worth taking you off ignore just to read that Pixie shirt lifter! You crack me up, go start a youtube channel pretending to be a music critic, that was hilarious too!!!
I did notice that, and I also detected a certain reluctance for him and RvP to celebrate together. I hope that is not one of my inconsistent nasty pyschic moments. Seriously though, Fergie keeps playing almost everyone 'out of position'. I do take your point about Welbeck , there is a real danger of his progress being stifled. Not only does he have fewer opportunities, but increasingly he is also being asked to play in the 'problem' left side area.