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  • GeorgeM

    Re: Daytona 500: Anyone going to watch?

    GeorgeM by GeorgeM . Mar 4, 2006 22:54 . Permalink . Go to topic

    What does the Daytona 500 have to do with F-1 ?? Additionally, NASCAR racing is becoming l...

    What does the Daytona 500 have to do with F-1 ?? Additionally, NASCAR racing is becoming less interesting with each event. There is very little in common with what NASCAR calls a "stock" car and an actual market - available stock automobile. With the exception of required safety related equipment, let the good ole boys race whut they brung.

  • Chase M

    Re: Yahoo Fantasy F1

    Chase M by Chase M . Mar 5, 2006 00:54 . Permalink . Go to topic

    yea...didn't yahoo! get started a little late getting F1 ready last year? anyway, i'm comp...

    yea...didn't yahoo! get started a little late getting F1 ready last year? anyway, i'm competing anyway...check out my league (im gona make a post in a few minutes)...you can check it out on the OFGP (Olympic Fantasy Grand Prix) Home page at http://www.geocities.com/black_pirate06

  • D

    Re: F1 Calendar, Yahoo!???

    D by D . Mar 4, 2006 22:50 . Permalink . Go to topic

    When is the 2006 f1 calender goigto be displayed end of 2006 season

    When is the 2006 f1 calender goigto be displayed end of 2006 season

  • Freda Felcher, Cranston

    Re: F1 vs NASCAR?

    Freda Felcher, Cranston by Freda Felcher, Cranston . Sep 9, 2006 04:54 . Permalink . Go to topic

    Its not fair to compare the two. F1 is shifting, braking, turning, throttle application, ...

    Its not fair to compare the two. F1 is shifting, braking, turning, throttle application, and millions of millions of dollars in technology above the NASCAR car. NASCAR is all about going full throttle, no braking, and turning left. I agree that the cars are big and "fat" compared to F1 but that doesnt make the F1 cars easy to drive. They pull more G forces then astronauts and fighter pilots through some corners.
    To address your claim as TS being the best driver in the world, that claim is rediculous. First of all the drivers get paid more in F1 because they are very difficult to replace. TS would need to drop around 100 lbs before he could even be a pit worker in F1. Hes fat. How can the best driver in the world be out of shape or even be a contender in a series? I will tell you how....racing in a NASCAR.

  • steve c

    Re: F1 vs NASCAR?

    steve c by steve c . Jun 28, 2006 00:47 . Permalink . Go to topic

    Frank Williams of the Williams F1 team put it best. When asked about Jeff Gordon, William...

    Frank Williams of the Williams F1 team put it best. When asked about Jeff Gordon, Williams replied, "I don't know if he could be a racer. He's busy being a NASCAR entertainer."

    NASCAR is as contrived as pro wrestling. The competitiveness that stock car fans rave about is legislated. It's a show, pure and simple.

    Thank God there is still one series like F1 that defines competitiveness as get better every race or flounder.

  • sketch671

    Re: F1 vs NASCAR?

    sketch671 by sketch671 . Jul 11, 2006 03:38 . Permalink . Go to topic

    Its all relative really, if you like competition NASCAR is the top series, and unlike what...

    Its all relative really, if you like competition NASCAR is the top series, and unlike what some people say, it is not fake racing.

    If you like technical Machinery, technical circuts, Multi-Million dollar budgets then F1 is tops.

    I personally watch, and enjoy, both series. As well as other series.

    I am a fan of Motorsports in general not just a certain series. I think all these series have something different to provide to us fans.

    As for the idea of having a "Real Race" for the Best of the best drivers, I couldn't agree more. IROC was originally meant to provide this, but as we all know, it really just provides a stage for NASCAR to bully other drivers and give the false impression that they are the best. Of course its easy to look like NASCAR is the best when the cars are actually NASCAR style stock cars (IE-exactly like the cars they race every week) when sportscar racers, and openwheel racers are just trying to learn the cars. The only non NASCAR winner that I can think of in recent years is Sebastian Bourdais in Texas.

    If they ever do make a race for the Best of the best, the only fare way is to make sure the Cars, and Circuits, are equally unknown to all competitors.

  • A Yahoo! User

    Re: F1 vs NASCAR?

    by A Yahoo! User . Sep 4, 2006 15:07 . Permalink . Go to topic

    You put the F-U in funetix... That's pitiful

    You put the F-U in funetix... That's pitiful

  • McCarthief

    Dan Gurney: F1 and NASCAR Winner

    McCarthief by McCarthief . Sep 5, 2006 23:51 . Permalink . Go to topic

    I know I'm going back in time but Dan Gurney competed in NASCAR, infact he was nearly unbe...

    I know I'm going back in time but Dan Gurney competed in NASCAR, infact he was nearly unbeatable in a Grand National car at the old Riverside International Raceway in Riverside, California, four timies he won there. NASCAR so resented Gurney's dominance of this event that they docked him a lap for a minor infraction during the 1967 race, forcing Gurney to run hard enough to ruin his engine and breaking his streak of victories.

    Also: Dan Gurney, Mario Andretti and Jim Clark took part in several different types of racing (often winning). Just look them up and you'll see what I mean.

  • F1 Steve

    nascar is the most boring sport

    F1 Steve by F1 Steve . Apr 19, 2006 20:41 . Permalink

    nascar is basically when you go round and round and round and round and round and round un...

    nascar is basically when you go round and round and round and round and round and round until you get sick or fall asleep and crash into the barrier a bloody 12 year old could drive better than some nascar drivers today going round i dont know 100 or 200 laps at 170mph must be extremely boring and yet people actually watch it f1 is a million times better and thats fact.

  • ice501

    Re: Number One Cheat

    ice501 by ice501 . May 30, 2006 01:07 . Permalink . Go to topic

    That's because I wasn't replying to your message. It was to one of your tinted specs briga...

    That's because I wasn't replying to your message. It was to one of your tinted specs brigade.

  • A Yahoo! User

    Re: This happen because of he is MS from Ferrari ?

    by A Yahoo! User . May 29, 2006 18:22 . Permalink . Go to topic

    "That incident last Saturday is an accident". Wrong. Video and telemetary showed otherwise...

    "That incident last Saturday is an accident". Wrong. Video and telemetary showed otherwise. There was no reason for the hard braking, no reason for the "parking" almost 2 feet from the barrier without hitting it and no reason for the car to stall as he could have driven out of there. The onboard and overhead shots show his trajectory and actions clearly. So if you are trying to say that "the greatest driver who ever lived" could make a mistake that Takuma Sato wouldn't make at a corner where, in the same position/circumstances, (I think) nobody else has "crashed" (ok, people have hit the barrier on the way into Rascasse, but NOBODY has ever lost it like that in dry conditions) is dubious to say the least. If he had actually hit the barrier, it would have been credible. But at that speed, after locking up the fronts and THEN "regaining" enough control to drive straight at the barrier before not nearly putting enough right lock on to actually attempt to go around the second part of Rascasse, it must be classed as something incredibly stupid for a man of his calibre or as cheating (deliberately causing an incident) in the same way he parked the car in Austria 2000 to try and bring out a red flag after he tangled with Zonta so he could get into the spare car. In Austria, it didn't work and he had to retire. He tried it again on Saturday and was rightfully penalised. Massa at Mirabeau was an accident, Nico rosberg at Anthony Noghes was an accident, Yuji Ide in an F1 car was an accident. Michael stopped the car on the track deliberately, for no legitimate reason whatsoever. The telemetery showed no reason for braking so hard, at a slower speed than on his fastest laps and then "losing control" in the manner he claimed he did. He parked it. And anyway, he managed to go around the same corner far more often, and at faster speeds, without he slightest hint of a problem or "mistake", didn't he? A bit strange... As I say, if he had actually damaged the nose in some way, it would have looked credible.

  • A Yahoo! User

    Re: This happen because of he is MS from Ferrari ?

    by A Yahoo! User . May 29, 2006 21:55 . Permalink . Go to topic

    That did say it all.... Was a bit like his reaction in Austria 2002. If he had actually b...

    That did say it all.... Was a bit like his reaction in Austria 2002.

    If he had actually bent the front wing, then we would have laughed at him instead of calling him a cheat. Even I could have managed that at that speed, never mind someone of that "ability"

  • possiblygraham

    Re: Why Schumacher's punishment was wrong

    possiblygraham by possiblygraham . Jun 5, 2006 07:59 . Permalink . Go to topic

    It is because Michael Schumacher and Ferrari are so good and everyone is jelous. Formula 1...

    It is because Michael Schumacher and Ferrari are so good and everyone is jelous. Formula 1 is politics. They just try to make it exciting so we all pay money to watch

  • 5 Times - We've Won it 5 Times

    Re: Why Schumacher's punishment was wrong

    5 Times - We've Won it 5 Times by 5 Times - We've Won it 5 Times . Sep 3, 2006 21:00 . Permalink . Go to topic

    Hating the best has nothing to do with it. Ferrari are not the best and have not been the...

    Hating the best has nothing to do with it. Ferrari are not the best and have not been the best for decades.

    They only gained their recent dominance due to rule changes that punished Williams Renault and some other teams - this was why Renault pulled out of F1 all those years ago.

    Now, Renault are back again and are beating Ferrari with their superior technical ability and technological advances (the mass damper system for one) the rules are slowly changing again, and soon we'll see a big change to make Ferrari 'number one' again.

    Talking of tyres - there will be one manufacturer soon. The sensible thing would be to go with the one that most of the teams uses, but not for the FIA - they go for the one that Farrari uses.

    F1 is a fix, and Ferrari still can't win the title.

    Bloody Brilliant!!!

  • A Yahoo! User

    Re: Alonso = biggest crybaby in F1

    by A Yahoo! User . Sep 12, 2006 12:20 . Permalink . Go to topic

    Sorry Bob, you obviously didn't watch the qualifiying where massa didn't get as close as 4...

    Sorry Bob, you obviously didn't watch the qualifiying where massa didn't get as close as 4 seconds behind Alonso. MSC, a top racer, unfortunatly his cred drops when controvasy surrounds half of his wins, not necessarily his fault but the team he is with. Post Ferrari, more his fault, Hill for just one example

  • MoonPigg

    Re: Alonso = biggest crybaby in F1

    MoonPigg by MoonPigg . Sep 14, 2006 11:43 . Permalink . Go to topic

    Totally Agree - never seen a such sore loser in F1 - Alonso you'll never a as good as Sc...

    Totally Agree - never seen a such sore loser in F1 -

    Alonso you'll never a as good as Schui- Shit happens get over it.. your just making yourself look bad.

    Let see if you beat kimi next yr. I think not -

  • A Yahoo! User

    Re: Alonso = biggest crybaby in F1

    by A Yahoo! User . Sep 19, 2006 02:48 . Permalink . Go to topic

    well said that man

    well said that man

  • Tony

    Re: Villeneuve vs. Shu

    Tony by Tony . Oct 25, 2006 22:48 . Permalink . Go to topic

    I don't agree with this at all. Villeneauve won his only championship when he clearly had...

    I don't agree with this at all.

    Villeneauve won his only championship when he clearly had the best car in the field by along way. Since that point he's been pretty woeful and while you can blame the BAR to a certain extent he was consistantly out performed by his teammates like Hill, Button, Heidfeld also a complete rookie like Robert Kobiter (spelling) looked alot better than Villeneuve this season in the same car.

  • steve c

    Re: Villeneuve vs. Shu

    steve c by steve c . Nov 25, 2006 23:27 . Permalink . Go to topic

    Marshalbob141 wrote "NASCAR is not a low tech form of motorsport nor is it choreogra(p)hed...

    Marshalbob141 wrote "NASCAR is not a low tech form of motorsport nor is it choreogra(p)hed in any way." I would consider carburettors, five lug wheels, sheet metal bodies, etc., VERY low tech. And at least two thirds of the races each year have a caution in the last twenty laps - seems choreographed...all about the show.

    If they were serious about it being "for safety reasons", why have races go into extra laps? Why not have pace lights where you would be required to maintain your distance from the lead instead of allowing the field to bunch up?

    You cannot fix the outcome of a race? I don't suppose it would be too hard, especially in the restrictor plate (NOW THAT'S HIGH TECH!!!!!) to give someone a plate with a tiny bigger opening. Or look at Earnhardt Junior at Daytona 2001. Dad killed on the previous race at the track, restrictor plate race, Junior somehow manages to pass a bunch of guys, normally aggressive drivers acquiesced.

    There are major accidents because that's entertaining...

    NASTYCAR may have more attendance, but the television viewership is dwarfed by that of F1.

    And no wreck has ever been Montoya's fault...

  • lid

    Is F1 going to the dogs?

    lid by lid . Jul 18, 2006 13:40 . Permalink

    Is F1 going to the dogs? I think so. Last season BAR were banned for two races for allege...

    Is F1 going to the dogs? I think so. Last season BAR were banned for two races for allegedley cheating. Yet the teams who ran flexi wings this season were not punished, I know they were kind of just twisting the rules and not directly breaking them, but still cheating. Also Michael Shumacher who is an enormous talent, allegedly cheated by stopping other teams from posting better times. If that is the case then why didn't the FIA impose further action to him. Another point to consider is the engine freeze rule for 2008, the only team that this will benefit will be Ferrari, as at the time when there engines were reportedly more powerful than the competition, is the very point that engines must revert back to. The FIA president says that gaining a few hundered revs here and there, does not come through to normal car engines that you can buy from dealers today, RUBBISH. Today we have engines that can rev upto 10,000 rpm, a dream in the 80's and 90's. Engines last longer with 250,000 miles being the norm untill you hit serious problems and all this technology in todays engines has derived mainly from F1. Also variable valve timing, better fuel economy, lower emissions, multi valve heads plus many more again came mainly from F1. I have been a fan of F1 for 27 years, and recently I have been saddened by the events unfolding, If the FIA doesn't stop favouring 1 team, and listens to the rest of them so that the sport can move forward is just sheer stupidity that is killing the sport that I love. I would love to hear your views on this or any post.

  • A Yahoo! User

    Re: Villeneuve vs. Shu

    by A Yahoo! User . Nov 26, 2006 00:56 . Permalink . Go to topic

    I don't suppose it would be too hard, especially in the restrictor plate (NOW THAT'S HIGH ...

    I don't suppose it would be too hard, especially in the restrictor plate (NOW THAT'S HIGH TECH!!!!!)

    Rescritor plates are handed out, fitted and taken back by NASCAR Tech before and after each session on track. Some plates are sold to the teams for use in testing.

    I would consider carburettors, five lug wheels, sheet metal bodies, etc., VERY low tech.

    Carburettors may be old hat but they still are used. Many race cars have more than one lug nut on each wheel including Touring Cars. Those sheet metal bodies are hand made using the latest methods to male sure they are perfect. It is easier to repair sheet metal than fibreglass during a race

    If they were serious about it being "for safety reasons", why have races go into extra laps? Why not have pace lights where you would be required to maintain your distance from the lead instead of allowing the field to bunch up?

    F1 uses full course cautions as well and allows the field to bunch up. I don't see you moaning about that. The reason that NASCAR use the Green White Checkered system if the race completes its schedualed distance under yellow is to try and give the fans a green flag finish. Oval racing ( which started over here at Brooklands) is very different to Road Course racing.

    Or look at Earnhardt Junior at Daytona 2001. Dad killed on the previous race at the track, restrictor plate race, Junior somehow manages to pass a bunch of guys, normally aggressive drivers acquiesced.

    DEI in the early pasrt of this decade were acknowkeged to have the best Plate programme. In case you you forgot, it was a DEI car driven by Micheal Waltrip that won that fatal Daytona 500 in 2001

  • Leto Atreides

    Re: Predictions for interlagos(Brazil)

    Leto Atreides by Leto Atreides . Oct 12, 2006 05:20 . Permalink . Go to topic

    None of that will happen. Despite all of the conspiracy theories that the posters talk abo...

    None of that will happen. Despite all of the conspiracy theories that the posters talk about, these guys are not going to run into each other. All the whining and speculating by internet posters about Schumacher and Alonso is completely insane. You may complain about Alonso because he is a bit of a whiner, perhaps he is but he is an incredible racer and that "whining" is part of his emotional approach to racing. You don't have those results without being great. And if you diss Schumi as only winning because he cheats, you have a completely ignorant understanding of Formula 1. It is possible to maybe bend some rules to eek out a win in 2 or 3 races in a career (even though you would still have to be close to the race leader already to do so). But the guy has won 91 races. 91. That is skill. You cannot discount 91 wins. No one else has come close. Even the disaster at Monaco quali, people forget that he was currently leading. It is not like he parked the car in quali and went from 22nd to 1st magically. Enough about piling on Schumacher and Alonso. Fernando is a solid driver and for anyone to say that Schumacher is not the greatest F1 driver so far is being a bit disingenuous. Enough conspiracy theories, these guys are pros. In comparison to these guys, we are tiny little ants.

  • A Yahoo! User

    Re: Predictions for interlagos(Brazil)

    by A Yahoo! User . Oct 22, 2006 03:51 . Permalink . Go to topic

    Well it looks like Michael has an uphill battle for tomorrow's race...starting 10th. Mas...

    Well it looks like Michael has an uphill battle for tomorrow's race...starting 10th. Massa is on the pole with Alonso starting 4th.

  • cezara

    Re: Does Schumacher deserve critics or sympathy?

    cezara by cezara . Aug 2, 2010 17:54 . Permalink . Go to topic

    What? Why take his license? just because he refused to step out of Rubens' way? That&#...

    What? Why take his license? just because he refused to step out of Rubens' way? That's what a driver should do! Fight, defend and attack when he can. Why doom him? For showing everybody what should be done on a circuit? F1 used to be a sport, drivers should be there to fight! Senna fought, Prost fought, all big drivers did it! F1 is not about drivers letting one another pass! Do we really want a sport where all the overtaking consists on "easy team-moves" like the Massa-Alonso incident and the ones involving lapped cars?

    Come on, let's face it - Michael was defending his position. He's there to fight - he's always been, and don't forget - at the end of the straight line he pulled aside so that there was room for 2 cars there. Criminal indeed!

    Did anyone sacked Vettel for the move on Webber earlier this season - I'd say it was just as "crazy". Or it was less insane just because it was a battle for the top spot and then it was ok.

    and btw, what were you saying about the British GP? I don't think MSC and FA were anywhere near each other on track... FA hit Massa, had a problem with Kubica... hm... not Michael... they were a little too far from each other...

  • Grumpy old man!

    Re: Alonso champion again

    Grumpy old man! by Grumpy old man! . Oct 25, 2006 00:51 . Permalink . Go to topic

    I couldn't have put it better myself, fellicarolo1949. They did everything possible to st...

    I couldn't have put it better myself, fellicarolo1949. They did everything possible to stop Schumacher winning but he still did. As you say, Renault gained by running an illegal car for half the season. Perhaps the correct thing to do would have been to take all the points away from them that they had gained by 'cheating'.

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