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I would even guess that there's a clause in there to prevent his sale to another PL club. That then leaves a few other clubs in my book - Monaco, PSG, Anzhi, Real, Bayern and Barca.
Just heard that he's agreed and signed a new deal. I haven't seen details yet but I believe he's the highest paid player at the club now.
This is good news. Firstly it may encourage him to stay or in the worst case it puts us in a strong position should clubs come calling. We can really demand top dollar now.
I'll admit I was one of those that didn't think he was up to much way back then. I've kind kept quiet because there's a lot of support that's grown for him and the stats suggest he's doing a good job. I don't actually like these kind of stats, I tend to follow my eyes and to be honest he's never really convinced me. I guess I've been spoiled by watching Whelan, McMahon, Molby etc. I also remember Souness and co.
To add more to my argument in a midfield 3 I think you need to have a bit more in your locker. Lucas plays as a spoiler type player, breaking up opposition attacks and then moves the ball on. Or filling in gaps. That's fine but when you have the ball you need to keep it. That means in a central three the deeper lying player really needs to be cute on the ball. He needs to make a team tick. There's no room to hide. Does Lucas do this? No, emphatically no. Add that to the weaknesses he has in defending then we have a problem. The fouls he was giving away against Everton were driving me nuts. His yellow card record speaks volumes to me.
To further this point I can live with a lack of pace provided they offer something else. Ability on the ball and subtle movement as an example. Lucas? no. How about passing ability and vision? No.
Basically he's one dimensional and struggling with that side too I reckon.
Napoli and the Italian game would suit him better I'm sure.
I thought we'd have the debate here as many a thread seems to settle into this area at the moment.
For me I'm not the biggest fan of Lucas, never have been either. Here are my reasons.
Firstly I find him one dimensional. He can disrupt opposition attacks provided the game isn't too intense. He may win the ball and give it short. After that I'm struggling. In those high intensity games I find he goes missing. When the pressure builds I find that attacking players just seem to breeze past him. He seems very heavy footed to me.
Also when we have the ball what does he bring to our game? Not a huge amount in my book. He doesn't seem to have a great passing range, again it looks heavy and he's a million miles from being the player we need. That is one that keeps possession ticking over , always available, the out ball for everyone and the ability to probe etc.
It's because of these limitations and this years poor form that I'm afraid to say that he has a lot of work to convince me otherwise of his overall usefulness. I would also say that good players tend to attract some transfer rumours but in all his time I cant remember a single snippet anywhere. That alone tells me that people look and think they can do better elsewhere.
Any thoughts anyone?
Told ya Allen would come good. You can see it in the way he plays with the ball at feet. Head up for starters and when he passes the ball it's on deck and has zip. Many players pass the ball with a bobble or it looks heavy.
Cross fingers he can continue to grow
Fantastic result. I'd have never expected it.
You called it right Jason with the midfield and Sterling. It worked too.
Same performance against Cardiff please.
By the way Arsenal play Chelsea next weekend. We play in the early kick off and if we win we go top. We may be top over Christmas. I'd have never thought that we'd be anywhere near achieving that.
Also glad to hear that Flanagan is taking some plaudits. He's taking his opportunity and that's what you want and need. People fighting to play and a good team spirit.
I'd be almost ready to take a risk and play a midfield trio of Allen, Henderson and Alberto you know. That way you keep a nice balance of a disruptor who can pass, the work horse and the creative one. Lucas for me doesn't do any of those roles at the moment and I don't like the idea of playing him and Allen together. We'll be too deep, offer no penetration or ability to keep the ball.
Coutinho, Suarez and a choice of Aspas or Moses I guess. Again I may stump for Aspas as I don't have much faith in Moses but that depends on how Aspas has gone in training. At least he can control a football though.
Good to hear Kelly may becoming back into the fold.
I feared this might come at some point but not as it has.
Sturridge out for another 6 weeks at least
Gerrard also out for 6 weeks with a hamstring problem.
A tough run of fixtures coming up too. Lots of games against the so called title / top 4 contenders and in a short space of time.
We are really short of quality in midfield and our centre forward. Lucas who has been awful in my opinion needs to really step up as does Allen and Henderson. We need more from the front line too. Suarez needs the ball in the form he's in and we do not want him to become an isolated figure.
I hope Rodgers has his fingers ready on the old credit card button as we really need some reinforcements with or without the injuries but some real quality in midfield would be a huge and much needed lift
True, but I wish we had January's fixtures instead of the Christmas run that we do have. At least there shouldn't be any motivation issues!
No Agger on Saturday either Jason. Perhaps he is listening!
Injuries are becoming a worry now but Allen has picked his game up a bit too.
the thing that impressed me most (apart from Suarez) was our possession stats. That's what I want to see week in week out. Sadly we don't but I wonder if Rodgers like you Jason has seen enough of Lucas to be a bit worried?
Agreed on the Norwich goal. Poor defending full stop. Agger was guilty of being on his heels and the guy got that little half yard in front of him. It's a bad habit he has. Great on the ball but gets stuck on his heels and becomes a bit slow to react.
Well done Jason you've called it right. Lucas has been dropped and I'm encouraged by the current stats showing us having 61% possession. That's the kind of thing I want to see.
Suarez seems to like Norwich
Ok but at least we agree generally. I just feel there is something fundamentally wrong somewhere. We target and buy players with a pretty decent pedigree and they turn out to poor or not suited and it's frustrating.
Allen for example was a key player in a Swansea side that relied on movement and passing. We don't see it, although I do not blame him completely for that.
Aspas came as a player with some potentially and a technically astute player. Struggling.
Sterling is a most promising youngster. Fallen off the rails some what. Suso too and Pacheco now gone was the same.
I can keep going all they way back through Benitez's time and beyond. It's weird how we struggle to get value for money.
My dead wood comment is related to the number of squad players that do not contribute, even when given a chance to. I'm beginning to put Lucas back into that category.
I don't know what it is but I cannot, for the life of me, understand why we buy so many players that turn out to be a waste of time. It's problem that goes back many years and it's still here now.
I don't like Moses, loan deal yes but I don't think he brings anything to the table. Aspas, where is he now? While Sakho and Cissokho don't look right at all but they need time. Allen as well, doesn't appear to be the player he was a Swansea. It seems we have to buy 4 duff players for every decent one.
i didn't see the game as I was completely off grid but it sounds awful. We still haven't been able to shake the dead wood out of the squad. There were / are too many that shouldn't be there and managed to hang on for whatever reason. It's not good.
Moses dear me. Chelsea don't off load players for no reason.
Lucas the same in my book. He's not suited to the PL. That's being polite
Wanyama was a big miss in my opinion. Should have at least made an effort to sign him. Lucas, as far as I'm concerned had better up his game considerably or he can leave if the opportunity arises.
I agree on Allen. he needs game time and he also needs to up the anti. He made no friends missing that sitter. He was under a bit of scrutiny as it was / is and missing that will have done him no favours with the Kop or his own confidence levels. Simple fact is we need him, and more.
I certainly hope there's some kind of plan for a long term replacement for Gerrard? I do not want to be in a position where we are still reliant on the guy to the extent we are next season. I'm not saying he needs to be phased out, That depends on what he can offer but our midfield is already too weak (for where we want to be), it needs a bolster and we must think long term.
For me the decision is easy in some respects
You play your best 11 available 11 week in week out. No reason not to as the game load isn't excessive.
Forward line of Sturridge and Suarez with Coutinhio in the hole.
Back for of Glenda, Skrtel, Agger and bets available left back. Toure should and will give Agger a run for his money. Sakho and Cissokho need to catch up.
Big question for me is the best balance in midfield. Gerrard plays as he's our best. Henderson next and then for it's a toss up between Lucas and Allen. But as you know this is the area that bugs me the most. Do they play as a three across the pitch or two and one or two and two with Gerrard and Coutinhio pushing on a bit.
It's tough and we look weak on the left.
True the move was aggressive and I like "the go for it " but it did surprise me none the less, especially at a time where I thought we would try and dominate possession.
Good point Lukaku, he ran the channels behind the full backs very well. and Everton put the ball there. That is one problem with pushing full backs on. They drag one central defender out and that means someone needs to fill the hole.
My opinion of Lucas from a few seasons ago has resurfaced. He's not at the level we want or need. He is slow, commits awfully soft and un-needed fouls and was booked for it again at the weekend. I lost count of how many clumsy challenges he made where the striker had his back to goal. he's also anonymous when we have the ball. That's just not good.
Agreed Agger falls into the band wagon bracket because he can play the ball on the floor with his feet etc. That's enough to win many over, me included usually but he's dropped a clanger or two as well.
It is harsh but the standard of football this season has dropped again, right across the league.
I know I'm talking tough but as I said I see an opportunity and I want the club to grasp it. Not roll over in a whimper as we've done before. The problem is that you can often get shouted down for having an opinion against one of the darlings.
Fair point on Barry. I thought he was excellent until he moved to right back. Everton lost something in midfield at that point. While I can see why Rodgers pushed Moses we may have lost more in the middle and we did lose a goal as a result. Could have lost more as Lukaku steamed through once as did the other Everton chap who I have no chance of typing his name.
They are fair points and perhaps balance is a key here. I cant think of many if not any PL midfielders at the moment that are at a level that makes me look twice. Ramsey perhaps but I have a biased Welsh view and he is the type of player I like to watch. Toure when on pomp too I guess. I'm begging for a midfielder who will sit there in the middle and dictate games. Allow Gerrard to do what he does best and that is cause problems from unexpected areas. I like what Allen can do (apart from miss sitters) but he's not that player either.
Rodgers tactics demand a fast paced game with plenty of movement and passing. We don't do it. When I watch a game one of the first things I look for is how a team keeps hold of the ball and manages possession (with and without the ball). Everton did it better than us on Saturday and to me that isn't a good thing. Honestly we haven't done that all season either.
Tactics are interesting and yes flexibility is important. But to what extent is my concern. I don't we've got our Plan A sorted 100% yet but we've seen a number of different shapes already this season. I think that takes something away from the team. I think there's been plenty of evidence to make that point. I like the idea of having one system, "this is what we do, you counter it" Rather than trying to out think the opposition just out play them.