Everton Message Board
- Govinda Govinda Dec 10, 2013 11:26 Flag
For me Everton are a better team than Man U (at the moment at least) so why would there be shame for Man U to lose? Chelsea are a bit of up and down under Moureen and losing to a side who play better than they do (on most days) is not a shame either.
I was very impressed by Everton yesterday. Sure I would have liked us to convert some of our chances and gotten the win, it was possible, but didn't happen.
More importantly from a football lovers point of view it is nice to see how well they play and no shame in Man U and Chelsea losing to this team. Some times these thinner squads fade later in the year but at the moment I think they are amongst the 3 most attractive playing teams in the PL and if they can keep these performances up they have a real shot of winning CL football. Martinez has done a great job in a short period of time.
Mertesacker thought this was Arsenal's most difficult game this year and I can see why.
On an other note this game once again highlighted why we need a deadly striker to compete for all trophies if you ask me. Giroud is an admirable work horse with decent stats but he is by no means a Suarez or Aguero or Dzeko. In games like yesterday a striker might only get three chances and Giroud didn't convert the once he got, to me this is the difference between big game great strikers and very good striker.
I could live with a defeat against City if it came with a win against Chelsea. On the positive side Chelsea play 9 games in December so at least all contenders have a heavy game load. I am watching Flamini's injury situation because he seems to be getting injured often now. I he manages to stay fit I am optimistic for December since I am not sure Arteta's old legs have seven games on the trot in them and to maintain our solid defensive record we need strong performances from our defensive midfielders.
I am not so bothered by being in 1st come January since I don't believe the PL will be won in December however if we could open a 7 point gap that would be a big step in the right direction.
Am I correct in assuming given our +5 goal differential vs Napoli's -1 that we can afford to lose by 2 goals against them?
Everton are dangerous and play well at the moment dispatching without too much trouble of Man U and being miles ahead of them in the table, they will arrive with loads of confidence.
Man U clearly struggling without RVP. I think they dropped 7 out of 9 without him and over used him over the last season and a half. I think he is done and burned out and too old to get back to being the dominant player he was last year. Of course it doesn't help he is in the hands of a manger who doesn't know how to use him. This is not great for Holland's already slim World Cup chances. (Or maybe RVP is saving himself for the WC having seen enough of Moyes to know where this season will end up.)
That would be a dream combo. Not sure Wenger would spend the money needed and perhaps Saurez would want to go to Real. He is without a doubt in my mind the best striker in the PL with Aguero not far behind.
I have to say that to me it did look like a penalty and 9 out of 10 times in situations like that where the keeper dives for the ball, misses it and makes contact with the player it is a penalty.
I do agree though that Man U seem to have the weakest squad of the top 6 teams, perhaps together with Liverpool. To me in pure talent and quality terms, thus not considering the added value or destructive value of the manager, Chelsea have the best squad with City not far behind and Arsenal coming in probably 3rd and Spurs not far behind us. Thanks to AVB Spurs are further down and thanks to the strength of our starting 11 who might be 2nd only to Chelsea and thanks to Wenger and the way we play we are in 1st for the moment.
Liverpool with out Sturridge are on par with Man U to me and under Moyes will always give teams a battling effort but it won't be convincing very often as was shown against Spurs which was still a very good result for them.
It is way too early and injuries could change things but for me the race is between Chelsea and Arsenal with City having the potential to join it.
Ou obvious weak spot is Giroud who is our only option upfront and who doesn't easily score on the road, if he gets injured for a long period we will have to see how we fair but on the bright side we are not as reliant on Giroud as Man U are on RVP or as Liverpool is on Suarez. We have many players at the moment who can score and change a game. Not even Ozil is that important to us. This is the sign of a strong team IMO.
- Govinda Govinda Nov 29, 2013 11:22 Flag
They way I think about it is that the PL is still wide open with Arsenal, Chelsea, City and Liverpool a little ahead in my mind of Spurs and Man U. Having said that thus far we are the best team in PL as far as I am concerned and we are in the race with a good chance and when is the last time we could honestly say that? That's enough to be excited.
In the CL we are on thin ice but a draw should see us through. IMO at the moment we would have to fear Real, Bayern and Barca as better teams and Chelsea purely because Moureen seems to have Wenger in his pocket and is a solid cup type of manager. Either way I don't mind how far we go in the CL as long as we make it into the knock out phase. Winning it seems like a bridge too far for the PL teams including Arsenal.
- Govinda Govinda Nov 15, 2013 10:44 Flag
Wishing you a good weekend. I'm traveling till next week so don't feel abandoned or ignored and keep this board going.
- Govinda Govinda Nov 15, 2013 10:18 Flag
Let's face it, for you, win (Dortmund away, Liverpool, Spurs) or lose (Man U, Villa) Arsenal are never the better or best team.
- Govinda Govinda Nov 14, 2013 11:08 Flag
But our season thus far has not been better than Man U's, some how, and never mind the 5 point lead.
- Govinda Govinda Nov 13, 2013 15:18 Flag
I am happy to see where Arsenal will be in six games and am quite confident it will still be in the top 1 to 4, but I am not speaking about the next 6 games. After one third of the season Arsenal have been the best team.
And if Arsenal are doing 3 points worse than you expected, and you expected them to be in 1st than I missed that prediction and that you had higher hopes for them than I.
Perhaps you can tell me what you think Arsenal's final league position will be.
- Govinda Govinda Nov 13, 2013 11:56 Flag
You say we were "very lucky to beat Spurs, who were by far the better team" yet, the proof that man u was the better team in the game against Arsenal was the fact they scored more goals? You think you broke up our pretty passing game yet only had 41% possession? What did you do with the ball after you broke up our play? We had more of the ball against you than against our other opponents this year combined on average.You had 2 shots on target like we did and managed to convert 1 yet we managed 10 shots versus your 5 but some how you were clearly the better team against us as was Spurs who we beat without much problems?
I think you have too much time on your hands but not enough clarity or objectivity.
The one thing we can agree on is that the PL champion won't be known until the end of the season and that some times the better team loses, we don't agree on when that is and who that team is. Could that have anything to do with your biased?
I have had no problem recognizing Arsenal's short comings over the last 8 years and I have been honest in recognizing we where not a great team and had little chance to compete for the PL and as such demonstrated I am not a fan who is blind to my teams short comings, are you confident you can say the same? Or are you just happy to jump at every small opportunity to try to bend reality to your interpretation of it?
It would have served you well in terms of credibility to just admit that Arsenal have had a better season thus far than you expected to suggest otherwise is foolish. The trophies get handed out at the end of the season but respect is earned during the year, I for one am not naive enough to think we will win the PL, although we might, but I am realistic enough to realise we are closer at the moment that we have been for a long time and so is Liverpool and I am happy for them as I am for Arsenal fans and I could not care less if we don't win the PL because for the first time in years we are serious.
- Govinda Govinda Nov 13, 2013 10:35 Flag
I agree that other than his accuracy of shots on goal and consequently finishing or conversion rate, such as making goals for others(4x) and working to get the ball and holding it up, he has been excellent. It remains hard to claim though that he is on par with the other top striker in the PL. I think if we had a Suarez or RVP or Aguero or even Dzeko or Michu or Sturridge we would be a more dangerous team IMO.
I do think he benefits like Adebayor did from playing for a team that creates many chances. When Ade left or in his last year when he didn't put an effort in he didn't score 30 goals like he did in 2007/8. If Giroud played for Liverpool would he have scored 8 times? If he played for Man U would he have scored 7 times? I am not sure.
- Govinda Govinda Nov 13, 2013 10:12 Flag
I am so happy you exposed in depth after careful consideration these ridiculous excuses, anyone else might have missed these weakest of excuses. It is almost like saying, and correct me if I quote you wrong, "...That's for last season, when Rooney was carrying injuries and lack of form, ..." Injuries play no role in football ask Barca now that Messi is out for a few months.
And how can Fab even think that losing was proof that Arsenal was the better team. What a sloppy thinker.
At least you and I know that it was the manner in which Arsenal lost that showed they were the better team as does their league position show that after nearly one third of the season they have been the best team in the PL thus far, and their league position is the nearest thing we have to fact the rest is just opinion from highly biased fans something you and I can not be accused of.
Please keep monitoring for poor excuses these frauds should not go unexposed for what they really are.
- Govinda Govinda Nov 12, 2013 14:54 Flag
I guess we disagree on what he has done for you and what your season would look like without him (he has been playing with little injuries which might explain his subdued start of the season for his standards) but we can both agree on Hernandez being special (in the making). We have been linked with him (and a dozen other strikers) and I would welcome him at Arsenal. He is probably a better finisher than Giroud, who might make more assists. I am not as big as on Giroud as many other Arsenal fans although I recognize his improvement and his effort but effort alone can't make up for lack of talent and although more talented than Bendner I believe Arsenal should have a striker among the the 3 best in the PL and that is not Giroud (nor Rooney haha).
- Govinda Govinda Nov 12, 2013 14:03 Flag
With that reasoning you could argue that SAF was the hindrance and he should have let you pick the team last season, since he must have missed the obvious.
Maybe SAF wasn't the best manager of his era after all. It seems foolish he went and bought RVP only to hinder United, by your logic.
- Govinda Govinda Nov 12, 2013 13:59 Flag
We need an other quality striker, Giroud is a work horse to me, who might have decent stats but his finishing and positioning in the box leaves to be desired. And although he has had a few decent re-direct goals this season, he takes too much time, on occasion, to get his shot of. Having said that, maybe the heavy work load takes its toll. Both Bendtenr and Olivier could and should have scored on Sunday.
I hope Wenger will make a move in January for a quality striker not a Ba from Chelsea. If presented with the choice I would rather sign a high quality striker in the summer than a back-up type in January. To win the PL and or the CL we could use a Suarez, Falcao (who will be allowed to leave Monaco should they not win CL football), Cavani, RVP (sorry but true), Ibrahimovich, Lewandowski type of striker.