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There was no doubt in my mind that the best team won and it had nothing to do with us being tired. That didn't start to figure into the equation until the 75-80 minute when we had been the lesser team for the first 75 minutes.
City have the better squad, possibly best in the PL or 2nd to Chelsea.
Walcott is back.
Giroud is not good enough. (has he only scored 1 goal on the road?)
We seem to have lost our form a little.
Bendtners's goal was not offside.
We were denied a clear penalty.
Kos looks badly injured, looked like a torn ligament.
Chelsea game next and now a real big game.
Can we rediscover our form, in time?
- Govinda Govinda Dec 14, 2013 14:48 Flag
It feels nicer to be humiliated and still be in first than not be humiliated and to be in 9th.
PS: Funny how one team is never humiliated yet is in 9th and the other gets humiliated all the time yet remains in 1st!?!? Go figure. You think this has anything to do with the observer?
- Govinda Govinda Dec 14, 2013 16:32 Flag
Hahaha! Who cares? I do. When is the last time we have been in 1st for this long? Sure we might very well not win the PL but I don't care about that. I am enjoying this season and I am sorry for you that you clearly are not. Until this season I have suffered watching us, as of this season I enjoy most watching most of our games and IMO only a fool would write of our chances of winning the PL, it remains a 4 horse race IMO with maybe, at the moment, City a little ahead of Liverpool Arsenal and Chelsea.
- Govinda Govinda Dec 14, 2013 16:36 Flag
You should always come up with a response after receiving #$%$ for 8 years it is time for you to hit back. It is just too bad it can only be things like "you idiot" and stuff of that caliber.
- Govinda Govinda Dec 14, 2013 18:46 Flag
I saw Wenger speak with some frustration to Flamini while Kos was being taken care of on the field, later he took Flamini of. I wonder what that was about. I thought we came even more undone once Flamini came of. I like him and the way he plays yet we don't know his assignment. I also think Ramsey has dropped a little bit his game, he now is back to holding on to the ball a little bit too long again, when being pressed like City did, that is not a good habit.
Finally Wilshire should get a talking to, on one of the last goals he was pushed over around mid field, by Nasri I think, and he did not get up to chase Nasri who became part of the three City players who scored the goal on the break. Wilshire did not play on Wednesday and should not wait for the ref to blow the whistle, it was old Arsenal cry baby type of behavior.
So good to have Walcott coming back to his old form and I for one am happy we have Vermaelen as back-up at CB. He might need a few games to get used to Per but this could be his chance to regain his former high level and his place in the Belgian national side. Having said that I hope Kos will not be out too long.
I am not too worried about the result and expect an other loss to Chelsea but that does not put us out of the running.
Qute from today's press analysing the stats on the top 15 PL strikers:
The Arsenal striker’s statistics make interesting reading. Of the Premier League’s top 15 scorers, Giroud needs by far the most chances to score, averaging 7.86 shots per goal, with Jay Rodriguez of Southampton the next highest at 6.00. Giroud’s percentage of shots on target is also the lowest at a poor 30.31%, with Loic Remy the next worse at 36.17%. Of the top ten scores in the league, Giroud has the lowest ratio of goals per game, currently at 0.48. The stats suggest that, although the Frenchman’s importance to the Gunners is unquestionable, Giroud is wasteful and could be improved upon; Arsenal’s reported interest in Diego Costa – who averages around three shots per goal, with 57.45% of those shots on target – seems unsurprising.
- Govinda Govinda Dec 19, 2013 15:03 Flag
I hope Wenger will get Costa or Michu in January. We are not far from having a squad that has a serious chance of competing for titles (that is not to say that the current squad can't win a trophy) but we need most of all a better striker. This title race will likely come down to a few points between 1st and 2nd and a striker who is more clinical can make that difference.
- Govinda Govinda Dec 19, 2013 15:23 Flag
It will be an entertaining title race. All preseason contenders have shown their flaws and as you say a few of the small teams have shown big skills. For the moment and in absence of major January spending I would say the top 4 teams are till more or less equal favorites IMO but if I had to put a prediction down at this point it would be:
1. City - on account of current from and depth of squad
2. Chelsea - on account of depth of squad but they still don't seem to have hit their stride
3. Arsenal - on account of lacking depth most glaringly at striker but now also at CB
4. Liverpool - Suarez culd push them higher up the table than 4th but ....
Man U - could fight for 4th if they bring in some real quality players in January but you have to wonder which quality player would want to come and play for them at this point?
Spurs - Could come back into the top 4 depending on their new manager, they have a capable squad.
Everton - could surprise further by sustaining their current pace but a thin squad makes that difficult.
- Govinda Govinda Dec 20, 2013 13:44 Flag
Many make the mistake to believe that by saying things like "one thing is for sure, it won't be Arsenal." they say something meaningful, yet it is a lazy way of thinking and speaking (writing), or at least limited.
Any one, including a quantum physicist, will tell you no event is an absolute certainty. To put your belief or opinion as fact to others shows a limited mind with control issues. Or as you so like to say, it shows an idiot.
- Govinda Govinda Dec 24, 2013 00:40 Flag
I am content with the result. Once we get a top quality striker we win these type of games. Drawing against Chelsea who have one of the best squads in the PL whilst we are going through a rough patch is big progress. It is now key we win against West Ham and Newcastle.
I am not going to get into the debate if we should have gotten a penalty or if Mikel should have gotten a card but overall I thought the ref lost control of the game which was a shame.
This year was our best chance in a long time to win a trophy. Our squad IMO was 3rd in the PL behind City and Chelsea with Walcott out and having less depth than those two other squads our chances of winning the PL, what ever they were are reduced meaningfully.
I hope Wenger will rely on Gnarby out wide since he brings pace and directness. In previous games when Walcott was out he has tried to start CM players like Wilshire and Ramsey out on the right that those not work great for as long as half a season.
I feel sorry for Theo missing out on this exciting season and WC.
Wenger please compensate for the loss of Theo by buying a top player or 2, one of them a striker.
There have been some serious rumours about us signing Julian Draxler for 45 mill Euros during this January window.
Julian is not the deadly striker we need but IMO would be a great signing. He appears to be an amazing wide player who can score with both legs and is unselfish with his assists. We are that much better when we play with true wide players rather than being forced to play central midfielders like Cazorla, Rosicky or Ramsey out wide.
I would be willing to sacrifice signing a top striker if we singed Draxler. My logic would be that we would possibly score more as a result of him being a true left wing (or right wing, he can play both) wide player and if we keep a long term perspective (and gamble), if indeed we move Theo over to the center and Gnarby and Ox on the right wing than we would possibly look better for the future than if we did not have a true left winger and signed Costa and kept Cazorla or Podolski as our left wingers, neither are as impressive as Julian.
Julian might really be the first true left wing player we would have after Overmars and he reminds me a little of RVP when he started at Feyenoord. He has similar ball control and skills as RVP so maybe Wenger would see him also as a long term central striker.
Chances are though that if we spend that type of money on Draxler that we would do little else now or this summer but I could live with that because we would likely continue to improve.
Given the theoretical choice between Draxler and Costa or Martinez and for the sake of argument lets assume similar price tags, who would you rather see at Arsenal (assuming you are an Arsenal fan)?
- Govinda Govinda Jan 16, 2014 13:29 Flag
45 mill Euro or 37 mill GBP is a lot of money but on a relative basis, ie compared to what Bale or Falcao or Cavani went for it is a bargain if you ask me. I think Bayern are the big concern for me they have possibly the best manager of his generation and are one of Europe's biggest clubs. So if Pep comes in for him he might be tempted.
- Govinda Govinda Jan 23, 2014 15:03 Flag
I agree that Mata is a great coup for Man U and a great price tag for Chelsea.
I agree with Moureen that Man U are no threat to Chelsea so to sell to Man U won't hurt them this season. Man U still have a very real chance at CL football for next year being only 6 points away from 4th. Probably most importantly for Mata he now has a chance of playing regular football and thus make it to the WC.
On the flip side Moureen didn't like Mata because of Mata's lack of defensive work and discipline. Man U having a poor defensive record will not get a lot of help from Mata in that department.
Creatively they will become a lot better with Mata in the squad and I am sure this could see RVP and Rooney get better service.
Credit to Man U, they needed to give their squad and fans a lift and they got it done.
Although Arsenal doesn't need a confidence lift being in 1st, I doubt given our poor transfer window track record, that we will sign an immediate impact player and it seems clear to me that we do need such a player if we want to hold on to 1st.
Giroud is probably having a career year yet would most likely not make it into the starting 11 of Man U, City, Chelsea, Liverpool or even Spurs and with Walcott out we lack width on the right. I think to over play young guys like Gnarby or a just returning Ox on the right side is asking for long term injury problems for them.
In an ideal world we would sign a top quality striker or winger this window to help our chances to win the PL. In any event if we don't sign any player and finish in the top 3, I would still be happy this season provided we spend well in the summer. Ozil can not be a one of top signing if we want to get back to being regular challengers.
- Govinda Govinda Jan 27, 2014 14:11 Flag
Be careful to post silly opinions or as Moureen did spew diarrhea of the mouth without thinking (I know it seems to be a specialty)
"It is simple. If you look at the fixtures and analyse them you can see that Arsenal is behind all the other teams,"
"In the last five years all the studies that have been made show Arsenal have had less rest than any other team in the top four.
"This is fact. It has nothing to do with my opinion, it is an independent company which has made that and has shown that Arsenal has had less rest between the games than any other top-level team."
Asked if it was no more than mind games from the Chelsea manager, Wenger said: "No. This is an opinion and I don't live with opinions. I live with facts.
"The facts are not depending on me, or Mourinho, just objective analysis. A day is 24 hours. Count how many days there are rest between two games and you will see that.
"I didn't make the study. It has been made by an independent company which I cannot influence."
Speculation: Wenger seems to, more often than not, wait for the last moment in the transfer window to do any business, if at all.
IMO before the transfer window started we had our best chance of winning the PL in many years. If I had to arbitrarily handicap our chances relative to the main other contenders I would say we had a 25% chance with the other 75% being divided between City and Chelsea.
I had hoped that with the signing of a quality striker we could have increased this percentage to 33% or better.
With Walcott out and assuming no striker of serious caliber coming in and no other serious attacking reinforcement coming in I would expect our chances to drop to 15% or less and to go to 5% should Giroud get injured over during the next two grueling months.
I have no problem with not signing a top quality striker this window and I would consider 3rd place a solid year provided we will end the year closer to 1st place than in previous years.
I would have serious problems if we don't go out next summer and sign a serious striker for next season. To pair Ozil with Giroud is a little like asking Fred Astaire to dance with Katie Price, he might make her look good but he won't be able to turn her into Ginger Rgoers.
To maximize our investment in our talented midfield we need to give them a striker who will put chances away more often than not, strikers like Aguiro, Suarez, RVP, Lewondowski, Falcao, Cavani, Costa etc.
I am fully prepared to end the season in 3rd (and don't care at all about the FA cup) and still consider this our most enjoyable season in a long time, having spend so much time in 1st deservedly. I am not prepared for Ozil to be our only ready to deliver top level purchase and for our obvious upward trend to be a one year trend.
- Govinda Govinda Jan 29, 2014 11:01 Flag
I think with Ramsey, Wilshire and Rose and Theo not available we are forced to play Arteta and Flamini making us play at a pace that is a little too slow probably as a result of having to play 2 defensive midfielders.
Tough stretch of games ahead of us and it will hurt not to have Ramsey available for much of it and Walcott for none of it. As promissing as Gnarby is he is too young to expect too much of him and is likely to burn out faster than more experienced players, same really goes for OX.
Pressure on Man U I think since their run in is quite easy so they should go on a big run now that they have RVP back. The flip side of being a one man team is that when that man is back they are a different team but can he pull them into CL football for next season? Will he stay fit? If he does stay fit I give them a 25% chance of 4th place.