Liverpool Message Board
- Govinda Govinda Nov 12, 2013 13:43 Flag
No fuss from me John. We are sitting pretty at the top of the table, for now, much better than I expected. The game against United didn't mean that much IMO, thanks to our massive cushion over them and as you say the Southampton game is bigger for us now that Pool are only two points behind. Southampton have had a better season thus far than Man U so it will be tougher game if you ask me. I could live with a draw, a game like that is always risky after an international game and a draw would live us in first level on points worst case.
- Govinda Govinda Nov 12, 2013 13:31 Flag
If you think Man U would have won the PL last year without RVP you must live in a nice world. At least I have no qualms about identifying him as the main contributor to our CL qualification in his last season with us.
I lover the "respectful" comment particularly. I can only conclude that you find it disrespectful if I think a Man U player is over rated or of I think your team is not so special as in past years? That is a very interesting definition of disrespectful worthy of some soul searching on your behave I would dare to suggest.
To ease your apparent pain and discomfort with my opinion, just because I think Rooney is over rated doesn't mean I think he would not be an asset to most teams included Arsenal, ceterus paribus, but at his current salary I don't think he would be worth the money, and there are many equal or better striker out there, RVP to name but one :-)
The idea that my friendship with prof would be tied to my opinion on Man U is laughable, as is the idea that friendship requires identical opinions on football.
- Govinda Govinda Nov 11, 2013 10:32 Flag
Rooney is so over rated he did little IMO other than running around a lot. RVP scored a goal Rooney could only dream of scoring. That is what makes RVP so valuable to any team he plays for. 2 years ago he single handedly got us CL football and last year he single handedly got Man U the title. It does not matter Rooney ran around more, Ramsey covered more ground than Rooney that also did little for us.
Great strikers only need a half-a-chance and take it. That is what happened yesterday. The corner was put in the middle of the box and in Mertesacker's absence our defense was poorly organized and didn't even put a guy in front of RVP to stop him making a 5 yard run to the ball, Giroud who was supposed to Cover for Mert arrived too lat and RVP took advantage of the bad defending and scored a beautiful goal other than that moment of brilliance Man U was nothing but an industrious side.
- Govinda Govinda Nov 11, 2013 09:57 Flag
Man U appear to be where we were 2 years ago. Very much a one man team on the evidence of last season and yesterday. Withou RVP they would be no where. If he stays healthy they could well qualify for CL football but that seems to be the limit for them unless you rate the League cup and FA cup.
I do hope though that if anything was clear yesterday that it is that we need a quality striker soon.
- Govinda Govinda Nov 11, 2013 07:08 Flag
I was happy for Man U. I think it nice for Moyes to finally pull level with Everton. On the back of yesterday and the failings of City I think there is a real chance Man U will be able to finish in the top 4 provided RVP stays healthy. I do think they can forget winning the CL or the PL based on yesterday's performance which I understand Moyes labeled as their best.
If you cant enjoy the journey don't make the trip. I am enjoying this one at the moment. An unlikely loss at Old Trafford would not change that. At the moment the wins against Liverpool and Dortmund on the road are much more meaningful. It will take a while before United become the threat Liverpool were until last weekend.
I think United have to be realistic and forget about the PL this year. They have an inferior squad and a manager trying to find his footing. They should be happy to qualify for CL football. In my book that would rate as a result for them.
I still think Chelsea are our biggest threat.
For years we watched other team's supporters coming here to harass us about the poor state of our competitiveness, and most of the criticism was deserved.
Are there anyone of those supporters now willing to acknowledge Arsenal are on the way up (and for the moment looking down on the rest of the PL)? Sure we have not won anything yet but it would show a little class to give a little credit and acknowledge that Arsenal have made a leap forward.
The downward spiral has ended and they way back-up has commenced.
It is a bit stupid for anyone to say we can not win the PL, just as stupid for anyone to say we will win the PL.
I do disagree with your assessment of "one simple signing" for me both Ozil and Flamini are crucial contributors to our current strength. It is hard to see how we could be 5 points clear without them.
We finally have a balanced squad with mature players around their 30s in Arteta, Cazorla, Flamini. Rosicky and a proven winner in Ozil. Perhaps most importantly we finally didn't have to deal with our best players leaving and having to integrate many new players.
This squad can win anything but as always injuries could change that, at the moment I don't think we could deasl with a prolonged Giroud absence, for this reason I would sleeep better if we sign an other solid striker in January.
Walcott might be back for the Man U game!!!!
I would hope that we can survive the CL group stage with draws against Dormund and Napoli and a win against Marseille. I don't want the worst case which would be Europe cup or what ever it is called, this would harm our chances in the PL. Playing on Thursdays is hard for weekend games in the PL.
With respect to the PL if we are not too tired after our Wednesday game we should be OK for the Man U game provided we don't pick up any more injuries. Best case scenario we get a fit Flamini and Podolski back against Man U.
At some point we need to rotate a few players to keep the squad fresh. Playing Nacho against Dortmund is not a bad thing IMO. At some point maybe after the Man U game giving Kos a rest and playing Vermaelen would be a good thing as well IMO.
Once Walcott is back we can become really dangerous again.
- Govinda Govinda Oct 31, 2013 11:08 Flag
It is not great to be missing Arteta and Flamini but I am still optimistic. In their absence we can not be considered favorites in the next few games but we are not really underdogs either.
Arteta can play against Dortmund which is a plus and a draw there would be a good result IMO.
We should have a chance against Liverpool despite them having the best combo upfront in the PL. Giroud and Ozil had a little rest and Podolski is close to returning.
I think the next 3 games are 50-50 now before flamini's injury I would have slanted them in our favor 60-40.
If there is anything we learned about the losses to Chelsea and Dortmund it is that we rely heavily on a disruptive defensive midfielder in the mold of Flamini (Artata can do a job but is not naturally that guy, and to me is left wanting in this role at the highest level but he is still crucial at PL level), that we are bit thin in depth at the moment, we looked particularly tired against Dortmund who I believe out worked us by more than 10km collectively and that Chelsea should be favorite for the PL title.
Finally I think if we have any money left in the kitty we would be foolish not to buy a top striker to give some depth because Bendtner doesn't have what it takes and Giroud can not be our only option.
Getting Walcott and Podolski back to add some much needed width and depth to our squad will provide a big lift.
It was nice to see Vermaelen out there and I also thought that Wilshire played one of his better games.
- Govinda Govinda Oct 22, 2013 13:36 Flag
I think Giroud is better than last year and hope he keeps developing but most of his goals (not all) seem to come from within the 6 yard box as a result of his impressive ability to redirect with one touch. The chances he gets outside the 6 yard box he squanders (to?) often. his shots seem to frequently fly high over goal. As good as he has become he is still not a Suarez, RVP, Ibrahimovich or Lewandowski. Great provider though.
To me we need an other central striker to be serious threats to Barca, Bayern and Real, and Lewndowski would be class.
I do agree with Fab that we can't write of the possibility that Bentdner will become a decent sub.
But if I had to choose between adding a striker of defender I would choose a striker in a heart beat.
Vermaelen should get more minutes and is a great back-up to either Kos or Mert. We should do everything we can to hold onto to him, yet not destroy his world cup dream.
I am very happy with Nacho and Jenkinson as backups on either side.
in midfield we have almost too many choices once Pod and Ox are back so really we are only thin on talent IMO at central striker even more so if we were to lose Giroud.
I do think it is the best place to be thin for us given other players contributions to scoring goals.
- Govinda Govinda Oct 21, 2013 17:00 Flag
Great team display. Let's keep our fingers crossed that we don't run into burn out or injuries, although we are starting to have some nice depth in the squad.
I would like to see Wenger give Nacho and Jenkinson enough minutes to keep Gibbs and Sagna fresh. Come to think about it, it is dangerous to disturb the Mert-Kos pairing but I would like to see Vermaelen get enough minutes to keep his world cup dream alive. If not he might well push for a transfer in January and without him we would be thin a CB.
I think Chelsea are starting to look a little bit better but it is still difficult to pick a clear favorite for the PL title this year. If we keep our top 14-16 players healthy, fresh and motivated we have a chance.
I agree Wilshire has looked of a little especially against the rest of the mid-filed players. In Wengers defense in at the moment, in my humble opinion, we only have one real wide player in Walcott and two half-wide (if there is such a thing, hope you catch my drift) players in Ox and Pod all of which are injured. Having said that I would play Ramsey on the wing before I would "do that" to Wilshire. But Wilshire has only played this last weekend out wide no?
When Cazorla comes back I would expect Wilshire to be on the bench and if we play him wide I think even Rosicky is better in that position than Wilshire.
I think maybe Wilshire will need all of this season to get back to his best and hopefully we will see his best next season.
I was happy for Wilshire but I did think he went down too easily hoping for the ref to protect him. He acted a little like a child looking for Daddy to hrlp him out with the neighborhood bullies. He should have stayed on his feet once he realised the ref was going to allow a lot of contact.
I agree with Fab that is hurts us that we have no true wide player and Wilshire is certainly not that.
I don't believe that Wenger will buy a striker in December/January. We do need one, Giroud is solid but misses too many chances and should have scored one this weekend, but I rather wait and get a Ozil type impact player (I think Higauin would have been that player) than sign an other average striker. Might as well give Bendtner some minutes.
If we do sign one perhaps Benzema would be the most likely of the big name strikers available but I am not 100% convinced about him and his attitude and work rate. If Wenger does buy Benzema I would be excited.