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Colyn/Dave, I hear all your points. I am not 100% convinced of the 3-5-2 and we were playing good football before but it definitely suits the current available personel, of that, I think we all agree. Colyn, I think it is a fair comment that we have conceded a lot of the possesion we had last year but it does look to be a straight swap for silly decision making in possesion from our defenders and it seems to be getting better results so I am a little bit lost in it all really.
Whatever the formation, I think we look at our best with Suarez-Sturridge as a partnership, not with one out wide for the other but as a traditional tag team. When PC is fit, I want to see him playing behind those 2, not out wide, maybe in some games but not in general. For me that only really leaves the 3-5-2, a 4-1-2-1-2 (we dont have the players for really) or a 4-3-1-2 which I dont think anyone has really done since that awesome mid noughties Milan side.
I agree, that explains the drop in possesion, territory but probably also looks the reason for us being more dangerous on the counter due to the onorthodox nature of our runners. If the left and right back in a back four are in their normal positions then you would assume they can pick up a pass deeper and under less pressure so more likely to keep the ball then when they are 15 yards furthur up the pitch. I wondered what was going on after us talking for so long about playing with an identity, a fixed style but if the results continue then I can't complain!
I think the change is heavily due to the options we have available. To have Agger, Kelly, Johnson, Cissokho, Allen and Coutinho missing would have destroyed us in the last few seasons. When you have centre halves playing so well I guess you just go with the logic, likewise, when you have those 2 strikers, you have to try and get them both in the dangerous positions. I see a future in the 3-5-2 though, with Allen and Agger returning this week, we may well see an increase in fluidity over the erratic Sakho and combative Lucas.
Can you imagine this starting eleven though:
Toure Skrtel Agger
Johnson Gerrard Lucas Enrique
That would take some beating!
Hi Colyn/Jason, I keep seeing people talking about a back 4 but in the last 2 games now, we have played a 3-5-2 with Toure-Skrtel-Sakho making up the back 3 and Henderson and Enrique playing as wingbacks. I certainly don't think we found ourselves pushed back against United but we were definitely soaking up some scary looking pressure at Sunderland. I am hoping Allen will be fit to replace the banned Lucas against Palace and agree his mobility might actually improve us, especially in a home game against, with all due respect, a weaker team.
The Gerrard/Lucas pairing doesnt look one to dominate games, they can be fluid at times but when under the cosh they go a bit direct, of course Gerrard spraying balls around looks fantastic and can get you a goal in an instant as it did against Sunderland. By the looks of things we might not need to talk about someone doing the Xabi role come January, the man himself is looking quite likely for a return, which would be awesome. Yes he is older but he was always slow in the first place, of course he has a good passing range but it is the quality of his short passing and constant availability for a pass that could take us a couple of steps forward.
I don't want to be wishing or waiting on January but there is certainly something missing in the centre. Look at us, finding problems when we are sat in 2nd place :)
- Hobitez Hobitez Sep 18, 2013 14:39 Flag
It certainly keeps happening but we are picking up points for fun. I'm not convinced there was a tactic at Swansea, as D said, when PC got injured, the game just changed. The ball just wouldnt stick on the counter, there was a time late on when we had 5 players in front of the ball. I think it is just us coming into the season still, when we take a lead we focus on getting ourselves right defensively then try to play but it just isnt as fluid. I think Sturridge isnt fit and the focal point running out of energy makes a big difference. My feeling is that we are exerting a lot of energy early on. Again though, Swansea have very fast wingers, you dont really want Kolo and Skrtel playing high lines in the closing stages when they can be opened that easily with one ball over the top.
I am not trying to be clever, I am just thinking out loud! The difference between this and the other games is that Swansea werent just taking potshots from far out like United etc, they really had us rattled. Hopefully Agger or Toure will be fit enough to return to the starting eleven on Saturday.
- Hobitez Hobitez Sep 16, 2013 13:04 Flag
I am not really sure what you are disagreeing with? All I said was that Arsenal have clearly improved their team without addressing the supposed weaknesses, that is exactly whats happened. I have to say though, the 'dominance' of Arsenal at Sunderland is very exagerated, they could have been home and dry by halftime was it not for woeful finishing from Walcott but Sunderland should have had the equaliser and if not Sagna should have been red carded for the last man foul on Altidore, then the game would have been different. Also, Sunderland have only won 1 match since Di Canio has been manager, they are bottom of the league and the poorest team so far.