Tottenham Hotspur Message Board
- Reply to Loki Dec 21, 2013 18:54
For me, I've always been love hate with Sturridge, both in Red and even an outsider with Chelsea. If he could embrace playing the wide right attacking role, and not be so selfish, with the work rate and creativity of our 19 year old wizard, our front 3 could be even more explosive.
As for Gerrard, our overall shape and team movement has been so much faster, and that's because Allen is in, showing exactly what he's all about and can do, but I still think Gerrard could/should replace Lucas.. The guy offers nothing.
To slightly disagree, our corners have been a bit woeful since he's been out, and he was tied with Ozil for assists in the league, so it's hard to see him not coming in, BUT he's gonna have to wait another 6 weeks at least, and I wouldn't anticipate Sturridge jumping back in for even longer.. This 4-3-3 is balling !!
I'd be more interested to see who we could / might bring in, that can possibly walk into the side in a wide area, and possibly deep mid. IE (For me) Tello and Diame.. That might push Lucas and Sterling out
Figured I'd might as well start it's own thread, especially so I can converse with myself at this hour, and also correct myself, after my last comments in the previous post.
In regards to Tello, I'm going to play antagonist to my own favorite target, despite reading alot suggesting possible good news. In quotes from Spain: "Despite interest from Liverpool and Valencia, Barcelona don't want to let Tello leave on loan. He'll complete the season at Barcelona."
Tello is on the bench tonight for Barcelona friendly match in Indonesia, China or something. Also, of more negative news, per a Barcelona source, because of recent rises in playing time, Martin Montoya (rb/lb) has asked to re-open contract extension talks. (Alba & Alves now healthy, so maybe a loan exists)
Those come from a respected Barcelona / Spanish source, so, for now, I'm just rolling with the Mohammed Salah story only, waiting to see that done, hoping we can pull off Tello, which seems to he his decision.
Watch this space, and the tabloids (blah) .. tick tock tick tock..
The contract is for 5 years (give or take depending on the start-end date), and almost 220k per week, making him the highest paid player in LFC history and on par with the likes of Yaya and some others, so let it be known, FSG can bend when things make sense, and that doesn't mean Andy Carroll on 90K, or Joe Cole on 95k.
As far as release clause etc., the info I've come across, and I'm sure we'll never really know until the day comes, is suggested to be around 105M.. I can't put it in concrete writing, just some things I've come across..
Right now, while we're playing like #$%$ vs Cardiff, he's absolutely loving life, and his role as captain, so we haven't got that to worry about just yet, but if the day comes, let's see what Madrid, Madrid, and Madrid (did I mention Fail Madrid) are made of.. Can't really see PSG even rationalizing having Cavani, Suarez and Ibra..
Maybe Whinger will come in with a cheeky bid of 104,000,001 ?
I think it shows, much like some of the things you said, that we are also, as good as the very best based on style, substance and hard work, only short of quality in depth. We are absolutely a top 4 team, and I'm comfortable saying, if the squad grows with quality, every bit as good as 2,3,4 and pushing whoever is top.
We need 2 fullbacks, or 1 at the very least, because we seem to have a bunch who can't play either side, so let's hope all that noise over Montoya from Barca is leading to a January move. Next, imo, more than anything, 2 attacking forces, 1 wide and one through the middle. The noise is getting louder and louder, that we may well be signing Salah of FC Basel for a modest fee, and who seems to be a massive upgrade to anyone we've got, with experiences at the highest levels, and also Ivan Rakitic of Sevilla, who would be similar to Mkhitarayan that Rodgers desired.
I noticed another problem today, Coutinho tries to do too much and more, and sometimes gets nothing done. I could see it today more than ever because he was up against his mates, Oscar, Luiz, Willian, and is desparate to get in the Brazil squad, but he just tries to leave too much to do. He catches the ire of Suarez and Sterling more and more each week, with wayward shots, or over dribbling.
I think the addition of Salah or Rakitic, or both, would give us what we want in the middle by default, in Jordan. He's been ever impressive roaming forward, but at the same time, is perfectly capable of being a big, athletic, driving force in a deeper spot. We're all admirers of Diame, and he often lines up behind the striker for WHU, and while he's better (older too), I see similarities and more in Jordan. That said, I'd have Diame too. If we could add Montoya, Salah (or Tello), Rakitic, Diame, I'd be delighted.
Word, or rumor has it over here in some readings, that Rodgers could have a handsome amount, for the "right" players, noted above, along with Menez/Jorginho/Pastore/Cabeye etc etc..
I'm pretty sure that couldn't have been the case because Cissokho was hanging out in the final 3rd all day long, and there were countless times where City split us apart on the counter, only to be saved by last ditch defending by Skrtel or whomever else, everyone but Glen. Even if he was told that, he didn't defend either, and he turned the ball over like it was his job. For a guy as truly talented as he is, he is serving as a complete utter waste of space right now, especially when you see how Flannagan has done as a left back, or even Jordan Henderson as make shift RB earlier..
I get what you're saying about the away wins, but, that's been an issue for us for nearly 5 years now, and ironically, Chelsea seems to be the only ground we've won at. However, I really do have to say, that everyone was fearful of horrible result at Spurs 3 weeks ago, and we absolutely ran them ragged off the pitch, and could have done 8-0..
After tomorrow, we will have played 7 out of the top 8 teams, away from home, and all of the top teams, including us, are doing 2 things consistently more than any year in recent memory.. Winning home games, and sweeping away the lower side of the table without mercy. We, Everton and Arsenal all have 1 loss at home, City and Chelsea have 0, then Spurs/Utd/Newcastle have dropped more. Of the top 5, that's 3 home losses from 40 home fixtures.. We will now face 7/8 at our joint in the new year... Someone's going to be on the wrong end of a right beating at Anfield..
There's no end gain in losing admirably, but we put City on the edge for 90", absolutely wrecked Spurs, and I expect a similar effort / performance at the Bridge. Back to the topic, if Glenda doesn't start putting in 1/4 the effort of 19 y/o Sterling, I hope we bring in Montoya and get shot of him..
First off... City 6 Arsenal 3, City 4 United 1, City 6 Spuds 0, City 3 Everton 1, City 4 Newcastle 0, (just recently, City 4 BAYERN 2), City 2 Liverpool 1... I hate losing, especially feeling hard done like that, but I hold my head high knowing we went there for 3, and played like we deserved 3..
The average age of our lineup yesterday vs Champions elect, was 24 years old per player vs. City's average of like 24M per player, and we slugged it out like a 12 round title fight.
So, my problem wasn't the result (bad decisions aside), effort, Mignolets' error, or Kompany beating Skrtel for a goal, despite shirt tugging. My problem wasn't even with Lucas, who I've been all over lately, because he played fairly well.. WHERE THE HELL IS GLENDA JOHNSON?? Our 17M right back, and England #1 (no more due to Walker) wasn't at the stadium yesterday, and seems to appear less & less each week.
The highlight of his day, was a terrible yellow, for clipping the heels of a City player on what was sure to be an odd man rush, with him too lazy and careless to have tracked back. He put in 1 dangerous cross all day.
If it were up to me, Kelly or Flannagan at 60% would take his spot, and Cissokho retain left... He's a passenger on the bus.. Any other player noted above, who made a mistake, more than made up and carried their weight..
Tello's agent met with Barca Sports Director today, and apparently he does want a loan away, but prefers Spain, and Valencia now seem the likely destination. I think he's worried about failing in a short period, vs going for the league he knows.. I don't know that doing well at Valencia does him much more good, then doing well in England, but it's his choice.. I'd be stunned if we got him now
A bunch of babble now Mohammed Salah will be in Merseyside by this weekend.. I even have a picture downloaded of him holding a signed LFC shirt Who knows. This guy's story changes more than my socks.. People seem up in arms that he's headed our way..
Just going to sit back and laugh (and cry)..
Well, it seems as if Rodgers is convinced as we are, as the last game vs Stoke, which is tough even for City with Yaya/Fernandinho, with Gerrard playing the holding / controller role, and will continue there, per BR. Everyone takes this comment differently, but with Gerrard's ability to bomb passes forward on a dime, he's almost identical to Alonso, and he is easily the best / most physical tackler we have in central midfield, not to mention, I lose count of how many times he is the one heading balls away from corners. So, that said, I'm content, though having Lucas going forward, until Allen is fit, really doesn't offer much, other than him pressing and winning a ball or two.
As for right back, if you're going to get caught out, even like Sagna and Walker do, you better at least be doing something productive in the final 3rd, otherwise you're a complete waste. Considering Johnson, on his day, is the most technically gifted rb in the league, with ability to use both feet, shoot, dribble and cross, the fact he is literally doing nothing, makes him so worthless at the moment. Even Cissokho looks superior at the moment. The guy gets in crosses, is taking shots (an own goal resulted) and seems to recover ok. More than anything he works hard and tries, despite his short comings..
I can't say the same about Glenda, and he can go to West Ham or Swansea this summer for all I care because nobody in the top 6 would replace their RB with him.
I usually like this, and find it easier posting, in the summer, so I apologize to you guys and anyone else reading if I'm off, but I'm going off the typical dirt digging that I do, reading/conversing in Spanish, and then some things I just happen to read on my side of the pond.
Before getting into names, without any firm source, I am under an impression (this makes City / Chelsea laugh of course) BR has somewhere around 40M to spend, IF he can get the players he wants.
Topping the list, in no order, Ivan Rakitic (the most costly), Mohammed Salah, Martin Montoya, Jorginho, Cristian Tello, Juan Manuel Iturrbe (a buy for now, no move until Summer), and then 150 names w/ a dart..
Supposedly, Mohammed Salah, seems to be the very first one on his way in and to be announced, if the sources are right, as they're saying as soon as Thursday, perhaps no later than Monday after the Hull match. I doubt he'd be announced Thurs if we play that day..
Just my hunch, Salah and Tello, which would be spectacular additions up front/out wide, and like you say Loki, actually fit the mould and ethos Rodgers has, not just names and talent to fit into pegs.
Fingers crossed fellas!!
It was semi strong.. He surprised me by starting Agger, and that proved to be a mistake, since the Dane (yet again) limped off injured and we played with 10 men for the last 15".. Nobody was able to watch it anywhere, but from what I was able to read, Alberto was really good, and our best player in the first half, but he was subbed off for tactical..
I guess the positives are, Aspas finally got a goal, Alberto got a start, Kelly played a full 90" and was good, Jordan/Stevie/Lucas made it through uninjured, and Kolo marshalled well in Skrtel's stead, keeping another clean sheet. And, Sterling continued his brilliant form..
Let's hope we get a few bodies back for Stoke, because we won't want to go there this thin and frail. Agger missing for that one, could be a blessing because Skrtel and Kolo might be better suited, and maybe Kelly can push Glenda over to LB.. Roll ON !!
We're on the verge of bringing in one of my dream signings, Cristian Tello on a 6 month loan from Barca.. It's being splattered all over the news in Spain already, and making it's way to England. Unless another club (Valencia) steps in, it seems all but done, and I'll be thrilled to death. Ideally, if it happens and he performs the way I would envision, we could try to make it permanent in the summer with Reina and/or Agger (whose strongly suggested) as parts of the deal.
Aside from what we all know, and said about the players above, I feel equally as strong about needing more in attack, hence, Tello and then another player like Salah or someone else. Our best form of defense in our wins, has been attack, especially at home, and in these past two games, we simply couldn't generate enough quality chances with all eyes on Suarez and Sterling the main threats, and little room for Coutinho to operate.
We really really deserved at least 1 point, if not all 3 at City, and could have crafted a few more chances for all our possession at the Bridge and nicked a point, but if you look at both games, all other topics aside, no Suarez, not many chances, no goals.
For as bad as our LB/RB and Lucas were, 2 goals would see us in 2nd place, or 3rd at worst, and we could have really set a marker and edge up in 1st..
This window, may be the most vital in as long as I know.. (Until Suarez part 2 this summer)
At times, is nothing short of woeful, particularly on set pieces, shown time after time, match after match. Our Spuds demolition could have easily been something different at 1-1 had Chadli been a better header of the ball, and today's NON marking of Mutch, was the stuff relegation dreams are made of. City, will play for free kicks through Silva/Nasri/Navas, even if they get iffy, and they'll slaughter us..
I watched the replay over and over, and I can't even see anyone in the picture trailing him for the header, and it looked like a training ground exercise, or something you'd see in an NBA game, for those who may watch basketball and see pick plays.. He just ran around the mess free, and bang.
Aside from Skrtel, who wasn't his most eloquent today, actually a little over aggressive, but always reliable and last man standing, now Sakho, and Jordan, I never see our players laying out full stop to put in a deflection or block, whereas, we regularly take 30+ shots a game, and no matter who we play, they deflect/block maybe half of them. The individuals I would single out, and getting most annoyed with are Glenda, who is just miserable as a defender right now, and Lucas, who's too slow and doesn't have good positional sense. No matter what the debate is on Gerrard, he's always back in the mess, heading or clearing balls away, and with Allen a regular, Sterling/Coutinho the choices, we're a bit shorter.
Going to City, and I'm hoping this was BR's train of thought when removing Flanny, who was superb again, we'll see Kelly at RB, and Glenda shifted to left for that one. We lose nothing down the left, actually gain more, and Kelly offers height, physicality and good positional sense. If he's fit, that's our one change IMO, unless BR does some 3 CB nonsense, or something really out there like Agger in at CDM.
We have to stop conceding these fouls, and avoid them, and when we do, we have to FOCUS. It's purely mental. If we mark, Migs will produce in the sticks!
So, we've managed to get through our festive period, in so/so shape.. I say so/so, not so much for results, but because unfortunately, but predictably, we've suffered injuries, and bad ones. For me (imo) Allen has been absolutely fantastic, and allowed Henderson to really develop, and giving Lucas much needed support. Sakho hurts because he was forging a commanding partnership (though shaky on the ball) with Skrtel, though Agger is more than capable of doing the job, if he keeps focused. Then of course, Glenda hurt herself shooting the ball and stubbing toes into the turf.. only her!
Anyways, so the quandry is really over the Romance of the Cup, who BR has available, who starts, and how to prepare for this, while making sure we're close to 100% for Stoke, which is much more important. The poisoned chalice of course, if we win and someone gets hurt, Rodgers is to blame, if we lose, we lose at Anfield, we're out of the cup, Rodgers doesn't take seriously, and we lose to Oldham two years in a row.
My lineup, and I guess it will give my thoughts in it, goes like this:
Mignolet (no rest needed, Hull barely worked him)
Kelly, Skrtel, Toure, Cissokho (Kelly needs to, Cissokho can use time/be risked, Toure/Skrtel just fine)
Lucas / Henderson (This part is brutal, I want to leave both out, or 1, but can't seem to do it)
Aspas-Suarez-Moses (Don't think much to change here, obv just pray w/ Suarez)
If it's something like that, we know Suarez wants to play, get him off early as possible, get on Gerrard for Jordan, and toss in whoever, to get Lucas off.
The set pieces and overall team defending, is driving me crazy. What's even more annoying, aside from lack of clean sheets, which is a pride thing, is that we're right up there with the rest in goals conceded, but not nearly as many come from open play, which just shows a lack of positional sense, discipline, and "want to"
I saw so many great balls (in a daft game) tonight in Chelski v Ars.enal, from both sides, and everyone of them was dealt with superbly, and immediately cleared from the box.
Like I said, a few great results could have gone bad early, and if City get one on us early, from set play, which is very real with their height, we will be in for a bad, bad day.
As far as the defensive setup, I would not change a thing at CB, SAS2, seem to be our best pairing, and the best suited for every style, particularly this one. As for fullbacks, Flanny has been great, both forward and defensively, but the fact City could throw Navas/Nasri/Silva at him, does scare me, though I had the same fear of Lennon/Walker.
Maybe it's the same 4-3-3 personnel again, but I might be inclined to think Kelly at RB and Glenda at LB, may be the best way to go. I wish there was a solution to Lucas, like Agger coming in at CDM, but that's probably a dream..
Seen it too, even his own comments.. To be honest, it doesn't excite me one bit, especially because Sakho "could" be fit to make the bench for Stoke, AND we've got 6M ILori w/ his chance to be 1st in line behind Skrtel/Toure. Sakho will be back, and there's Kelly, plus we could always recall Wisdom on emergency loan. CB is so irrelevant to me.
We need another high calibre wide attacking player more than anything, then a mid and fullback.
I'm being a bit more harsh on Kalou, than I really have ever done. He always, always scored goals for Chelsea, fast, direct, and skilled. He's scored for fun in France, knows the EPL. NOT my first 10 choices, but if it's a 2-3M purchase, he's instantly better than Moses/Aspas..
The two we outta be after no matter what, even if for summer, are Jorginho and Iturrbe both from Verona.. Such classy young players. Could have Jorginho now, which would be stellar
As the merry wheel goes round and round, it seems like I'm officially, and embarrasingly, a big fat, 0-2.. Supposedly we're very, very interested in Salah, and his fee is suggested around 7M, but for some logical (no sarcasm intended), it seems we may wait until the summer. Makes sense, with him having scored in both victories over Chelsea in the UCL this campaign, and many clubs interested. Maybe we can pay 17M, when his contract is only down to 2 years in August.. Scratching my head..
As for Tello, Spain says he's coming, everyone else, going nowhere.. For me, he is the IDEAL signing, especially on a loan. He's so talented, and experienced at 22.
I should realize by now, not only being a Liverpool fan, I just don't have the patience for this rubbish. Granted Rodgers said with a straight face last year the same thing, nothing is imminent, and Coutinho/Sturridge came right in, but I really wish, we could just be a little more encouraging and active. Too slow..
It's about the best and right players, BUT, we do need players, and I look forward to the window, where I don't feel such a strong need to say that. Surely, the slower we act, the faster Suarez will be looking to July!
Oh, and one more thing Jason.. you forgot to say the picture was a great photoshop job haha! Salah's head on Coutinho's body.. It's quite funny, but I'm sure he'll be in Merseyside Friday to put his own head back on..
Liverpool did secure first option on Will Hugues of Derby County, with Wisdom extending his stay for the remainder of the season.
Yea, I think we / Chelsea may be closing our account together, since they're apparently annoyed about Moses playing time, which is ironic, since he'd never suit up for them. I'd guess they're concerned with him improving his re-sale value, which is worth little right now. Mata claims he wants to fight at Chelsea, so let him. I thought Bertrand would have been a nice move but that's out, and Cole isn't believable.
I keep a close eye on the media over in the Catalan world, Tello just seems to be a stand still. He has 0 chance of world cup, especially staying there, so maybe he'll force the issue. Montoya seems all but certain to stay.
It's funny with Kalou, 2 years ago when free, I'd snap him up, always thought he was skilled and a good goal scorer, now, I still see he's prolific w/ Lille, but prefer someone else. Maybe I'm obsessed with age, as we're becoming accustomed to. He is better than Moses and Aspas, that's for sure.
I'd love Jorginho, who's been a rumor for 2 years now, he is classy. And also Iturbbe from his same team Verona, but he can't leave until the summer. The agent of this Cheik Kehoyte guy from Italy says we're in the hunt, but who knows. I'm tired of Salah at this point, feel like his time at LFC is up already haha! Just give me Tello, Jorginho and a fullback, and let's roll.. Diame would be nice too.. Menez is one that's gone VERY quiet and he's out of contract.. Just Sahin .. (get it?)
The interesting (and frustrating for me), is everyone in, and everything I can read, in Spain, says Tello is coming. Anything else, besides Sky 1/3, says otherwise. I know Rodgers won't say anything, so it's just a frustrating situation, aside from him being a favorite player, just knowing how massively he would impact us. We had 5-6 clear 1v1 chances yesterday, and players like Tello, and that Barca Calibre, finish for fun..
Anyways, yes, I saw that same article. Glen really, really is terrible. Yesterday, again, he offered nothing, and he must be the only footballer on earth, aside from Hargreaves, to injure themselves, taking a shot, and jamming their toes into the turf. He plays slow, lax, and just doesn't seem to care. I'd read some contract things about him prior to the season, about not wanting to renew, or money, and if that's part of it, get him out. He wouldn't even find a spot in a top 4-6 side.. Rafael, Walker, Sagna, Zabaleta, Azpilicueta/Ivanovic, Coleman.. Good Luck Glenda..
As for Agger, with our lb situation so bad, and Sakho hurt, he can't go anywhere, and until we either recall some players (Assaidi / Suso ??) or bring in someone new, Aspas can't go. End of the day, people do complain a bit much over "squad", but if you didn't have a squad, you'd send 11 players out, and a backup keeper. That said, Aspas showed a lot more effort, strength, and a few nice touches, than I can remember, so he should go again in the cup match. Same for Moses. Thing with Moses is, I think he just has to be a starter to show the quality we had seen in glimpses, but he's not reaching that with us..
End of the day, we need 2-3 bodies, badly, and quality ones who can start, or push the starters to the brink. For now, I want to see Alberto get a go, and more Aspas.. Kelly too, I'm done with Glenda..
He's disinterested and just flat out terrible now.. Nothing above average. Cissokho isn't very good at LB, but the guy runs his socks off, and tries, 2 things Glenda doesn't do.
Kelly should be more than fit by now, and he offers a different threat going forward with his height and crosses, not quite as gifted, but no nonsense defending.
I'm sick of Glenda, and I really hope the rumors are true about M'villa or Windalujm for midfield, because even on a decent day, Lucas just doesn't allow Gerrar/Henderson the total freedom they need. Allen is missed..