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Hi Ron, Colin and Jason, I hope you don't think I was being flippant but I just couldn't imagine Shanks being so negative, it's like Churchill saying "We will fight them on the beaches but don't expect to win !!"
Talk about motivational, I wondered when this statement would be wheeled out !
The old temper expectations so our aspirations aren't too high for next season.
What next, "Hopefully with a bit of luck we'll not find ourselves in a relegation dogfight " FFS !!!
Dave, can I just say what a breath of fresh air it is to read your post's, and Colin's and Andy's as well because sometimes some of the so called rhetoric spouted on here at times makes me wonder whether I'm being wound up !
I've never read such ridiculous statements since everyone of Armchairs posts !!
One thing KK didn't have as I've said before on here, was Lucas all season who surprisingly tied in with our season getting better this year when he came back.
I quote "On the other hand, BR deserves applaud for getting higher position in the league with thin squad and almost no money to bring in players." So one place higher no trophy and no visits to Wembley requires praise does it?
I can't believe people still criticise Downing and Henderson who I feel were 2 of our most consistent players this year. They've both scored more goals, than Wellbeck, Carrick,Nani, Valencia,Giggs and Cleverly who although 3 of these are the future of England and one a striker, that none of these 6 players have scored more than 2 goals !
I know it's in the past now and I hope BR does better next year, but I don't think Kenny was too far away and it's very disrespectful to comment otherwise.
What a shallow t1thead !! Have fun polishing that number six in your bulging trophy cabinet !
What you gonna celebrate next, getting a kiss off your Mum cos you've finished your tea like a big boy or that you've learnt to breathe in and out without anyone helping you!
The thing that occured to me Dave / Colin, as I watched Sturridge decimate Fulham with his 11th goal since January, is again this blinkered obsession with Manure.
Can somebody please explain to me how Danny Welbeck, 2 goals all season, get's into the 2013 PFA young player team and Sturridge doesn't even get a thought even though 11 goals half a season?
It's the same with the England set up, when will an England manager pick someone on credit rather than a misconception because of the team he plays for?
Totally agree Dave, I think a lot of Manure fans will be secretly wondering what happens next though.
Liverpool's success was passed on seamlessly by 4 managers without a hiccup, which to me is the definition of a true dynasty. I know you have to congratulate them for their success, but it's all been under Fergie. I'm hoping,and I think it is a definate possibility, that this is the end for Manure as dominant force because Moyes definately isn't a second Fergie !!
Tau, I agree it has been a season of 2 halves, but I think the real reson for this was due to the comeback of Lucas. No one can deny that he makes the difference and if I can just bang on about KK again he didn't have Lucas for all of last season, so what would that season have been like?
If we want to look at segments of seasons, then what about KK's return in the 2nd half of that season, by all accounts our form in that 2nd half we would have won the PL !!
So to be fair in my opinion Lucas is the main factor in our progress and to be honest I don't feel him and Allen should be on the pitch at the same time !
Sorry mate couldn't disagree more. As my previous ID on here as disappeared due to this shyte new board, nevertopthekop_18_5, people will hopefully remember my biased views that KK is the man and I think the guy who has posted this post, rrichards,is perfectly spot on.
We've basically got David Brent as a manager trying out all what he thinks are "new age" management styles with his fecking 3 envelopes etc etc that I was doing in business management training 20 odd years ago !
Like the guy said he is not saying or doing anything new, it's just that most people who support LFC haven't seen it since KK was last in charge doing it the Liverpool way, YES I said KK as I disagree that it was Joe Fagan who last had a plan, it's not as though KK was there first time around as a caretaker manager.
He managed for 4 years winning 3 titles, 2 FA cups, 1 League Cup, and 4 Charity Shields !! Was that purley by chance then?
He's have probably won the European Cup as well if we were in it because the side he built with Beardsley , Barnes, Aldridge and Houghton was probably one of the most entertaining I have ever seen. I agree about Souness etc, but the wheels fell off after the Hillsbrough disaster I'm afraid and we ain't been the same since.
Like Colin say's look at Cloughie, in fact look at Fergie, Paisley, Dalglish. They didn't need notebooks and fecking pie charts.
If this is "turning a failing club around", I'd hate to see what we'd been like if it had gone wrong then !!
Last year one trophy, 2 finals, 3 trips to Wembley, European qualification, 8th in PL,
what this year no trophies, no trip to Wembley, no finals, Euro qualification ?, where in PL ?
I agree there does appear to be plenty of work to be done at Liverpool now, but in my opinion as I've said before, I know we finished 8th last year, but there was less work to be done if KK had stayed and I think this year we would have done far better than this.