Liverpool Message Board
Posts by "dsteer_lfc_68"
Re: Long term fate of Chelsea
Its a good point. I'll not write off Chelsea this term, although they need to right the s...
Its a good point. I'll not write off Chelsea this term, although they need to right the ship soon if they want to stayin the hunt. The problem as I see it is not the quality of the players. Especially once you have Lampard back, you've got all the quality you need (although depth in some areas maybe in question). The problem is the lack of a leading influence. Grant maybe the real thing, but so far does not seem to be (but its a little too early to judge). Fact is Jose despite what all us non Chelsea fans alway said, was a very good manager, but more importantly was the leader of the team who inspired the best out of the squad, in addition to managing the ego's that come along with so many top paid players. Finding the right person, or the right chemistry to fill that void is what needs to happen if your not going to implode, and I'm not sure if Roman has figured that out yet. Talking up another mega star import maybe the opposite of what's needed.
Bigkev, you said you weren't taking a dig, so I'll not take it as one. Your right we do n...
Bigkev, you said you weren't taking a dig, so I'll not take it as one. Your right we do need to improve, and therefore do need better players. Not sure I think the situation is as dire as you think it is. We had a definite downturn in the middle of the season, and way to many draws, that cut off hope of a title challenge. We finish the last 3rd of the season with the best record of any of the top 4 teams, so we have the ability, but may not have the consistency, so improvement is required.
To be honest while I do rate Barry, I'm not sure he's the missing piece of the puzzle for us. We already have a very strong midfield, and if rumors are correct that Alonso will leave if Barry comes in, I'm not sure its much of an improvement.
As far as comparing Barry with other England midfielders, I'm not sure that's really a fair comparison. Yes Barry has done well the past season, and deserves his latest call ups for England, but he's not been a regular like the other players you compare him to, so I don't think he would fetch the same price tag. No offense, but he's not comparable to Gerrard, and while Lampard maybe trading more on his past, he has been performing on the top stage for a long time now, which increases his price tag. I see Hargrieves as a more unique player, so direct comparison is hard, but also think Man U paid over the odds for him, as Carrick, but a fool and his money are easily seperated. Its also worth considering where Barry is in terms of his current contract. Its fairly normal that the fewer years left on the existing contract, the lower the transfer fee, especially if there is doubt that the player would re-sign for his existing club.
Trying to stay neutral (you lads know that's hard for me) but thought I'd throw this in. ...
Trying to stay neutral (you lads know that's hard for me) but thought I'd throw this in.
On the one hand I can see what Platt is saying, in that to realize a players full potential a step up to a club that competes at a higher level (CL, and hopefully a run at the title) is necessary, and Carrick might be a good example.
But on the other hand, you could also look at Micheal Owen who left Liverpool at the end of the 04/05 season, to go to a bigger club (Real Madrid). But in his case he not only did not settle and get much playing time, in terms of competing for the major silverware, it could be argued he left the bigger club for the smaller club, as Liverpool went on to CL glory the following year, while Real went on a title drought. And, now look where he is!
Not sure which example is more fitting in this case (I have my view, but I'll keep it to myself), if in fact either is. But, knowing what Villa's aspirations are, think its clear what both Villa and MON's view would be on which example they hope will resemble the Barry situation.
As I understand it he would not be cup tied for the Champions league, now or if he left in...
As I understand it he would not be cup tied for the Champions league, now or if he left in Jan. But if you make it into the UEFA cup, he would be cup tied from that competition.
Re: Barry still on his way??
Think you maybe right, seems to me that MON would rather lose a hand of poker, than show h...
Think you maybe right, seems to me that MON would rather lose a hand of poker, than show his cards early. Risk is that its obvious that Barry wants away, since he and his agent insisted that the deadline be overlooked, so the question is how much production will you get out of him, versus the quality right backs you could pick up for a little less than 18M.
Although to be honest, assuming we can raise the cash somehow (either selling, or someone sitting on our cheap owners till the cough up!) think the most likely scenerio will be that Barry comes to Liverpool for an undisclosed fee, in the region of 18M. They'll be a bunch of performance add on's so that both sides will be able to say we got the deal they wanted. And, no doubt we'll keep arguing about it.
Re: If the season ended now.........
Kip, think you've got to keep MON either top, or near top of your list, although askin...
Kip, think you've got to keep MON either top, or near top of your list, although asking on a Villa board, got a feeling he'd get most of the votes.
There is no doubt he's built a strong hard working squad, and you lot do deserve to be in the top level of Europe next season, so I really hope you don't screw it up. But one thing you have to ask is the success all down to Villa, or the downfall of others?
I'd agree (unfortunatly) that Fergie needs to be on that list, but the others I'm not so sure about. Moyes has really not pushed on from last season. Again threatening to be top of the also rans, but thats all. Villa have taken advantage of slips by Arsenal, and now Chelsea, but Everton are right where they were, or worse, than where they were last season.
Brown I'd give a nod to, but he's done what any newely promoted team manager should do. Surprise a few teams, and work the team as hard as you can to just survive.
But if your measuring by how much a manager has moved his club from the previous season, then I think there is only 3 choices. MON, for all ready stated reasons, Bruce, who have allowed Wigan to punch above their weight, and might get them into Europe, and Rafa, who has moved from 4th with no title challenge after Christmas, to 2nd and a realistic title challenge.
Of course Rafa will never get the nod on a Villa board, nor is it likely from anyone else as the press just love to have a go at him. But the facts measured by league position, points, or anything else, just don't lie.
But my number one choice would in fact be Scolari. First for being a decent and honest man, which was a breath of fresh air. But second, because no-one treated that badly by an owner who obviously knows little about building long term success on the pitch, should at least get some recognition.
Re: Press double standards
Look, not trying to wind people up, or trying to get into an abuse session here, as I rare...
Look, not trying to wind people up, or trying to get into an abuse session here, as I rarely post on teh Man U board, but lets get some perspective here.
Yes Gerrard was very lucky not to get a red card. If that had happened I think the FA would have had no choice but to look into it. But fact is it was not a punch (more like a push actually) alone, but a game that was nearing the point of being out of control.
I think what you refer to as being about this showing team spirit is not the so called punch, but that the team got behind their captain when he was taken down by a nasty challenge. The fact that Gerrard stepped in when one of his youngest players (Agger) was being pushed around, may not have been the smartest thing to do, but I'll challenge anyone to act by the rules of protocol when your mates are being shoved around.
If you think I'm talking out my ass, then fine, but try reversing the roles. Would you honestly lambast any Man U player who stepped over the line in order to defend his team mates? You would not condon it, but you'd not speak out against it as loudly as you are about Gerrard!
You got one over on Rafa, but what's next?
Most know I don't come on here to wind you up, so first up congrats on getting one over on...
Most know I don't come on here to wind you up, so first up congrats on getting one over on Rafa with the Heinze deal. I'm not sure we needed 6.8Million worth of back up, but wanted to know who is going to be your back up to Evra now? And, strikers aside, will you need to dip into the transfer market to shore up your defense?
tee, I agree with you. Seems like every village, each board has its fair share of idiots...
tee, I agree with you. Seems like every village, each board has its fair share of idiots who spoil things for the rest. That's one reason why I came on here to try to give an opinion, rather than just slag people off. You may or may not agree with all my opinions, but I try to keep it as objective as I can.
Actually the Liverpool board is not running as well as it has in the past. Seems many of the serious posters have decided to stay away due to the spat of spam messaging lately, so I feel your pain. I welcome non fans to our board, if only to stir debate, but those who post just to abuse, I have no time for. Maybe if people can try to set a good example it can make a difference, rather than a tit for tat that brings us all down to the level of the idiots.
Re: Scousers were always crap - Official
If your original poster had bothered to read the thread he so badley missinterpreted, he'd...
If your original poster had bothered to read the thread he so badley missinterpreted, he'd have found it made the exact same point you just did (I knew there were some smart people posting here!). Its apples and oranges.
If you throw in the money factor since the Prem was formed, is it any surprise so few clubs have won the prem title compared with the number of clubs who won the First Division in the previous equivilent period of time. Think you'll find their is a direct link between how much a club spends, and its winning percentage now.