I'd hope so, it just would not be fair for you to half the decent attacking midfielder...
I'd hope so, it just would not be fair for you to half the decent attacking midfielders on the planet. If you could also land Gerrard and Cesc you could forget about calling it Chelsea FC, and just call it the Chelsea League!
Do you really think 18 million was a fair price for either Carrick or Hargreaves? If you ...
Do you really think 18 million was a fair price for either Carrick or Hargreaves? If you remember Bayern just kept stringing SAF along on the Hargreaves deal, to the point that Fergie was ready to pay anything to get his prize. As for Carrick, I just don't see how he's worth that much, he's neither a regular starter for club or country, so I'd not want to pay more than 10 or 12 Million. I'd definitly pay more for Barry, than I would for Carrick.
I agree Liverpool have a habbit of underbiddign for players, which frustrates most LFC fans. Personally I think 14-16 Million is a fair offer, but think 18+ is just too much.
Mike, I'm not sure technically if there was tapping up or not, as Liverpools side of the s...
Mike, I'm not sure technically if there was tapping up or not, as Liverpools side of the story was that they did fax an official bid to the club before the war of words between managers started. But for me personally, eitherway, its not the Liverpool way to do these things in public, so I don't welcome the way things have been done. Unfortunatly this last year, many traditions of the club have gone be the wayside, and doing the laundry in public is one I really dissaprove of.
Your right, I also would not like it if other clubs did the same to our key player, but they have tried, and like it or not, its the way things are. Its not that long ago that I remember sweating over whether Gerrard would be gong to Chelsea or not. In many ways they are similar situations. In both cases the player considered the move not really for money, but to get what they really wanted, to challenge for top silverware. I think Gerrard stayed both because he has personal ties to the club, but also because he bought into Rafa's plan to develop the team to be able to challenge in the league as well as other compititions. It seems to me, its now up to MON to make his case to Barry, that there is a plan in place that will allow him to play CL football, and stay in the midlands. He does not have the trump card of Barry being a local lad, so its got to be a strong case. At the end of the day, I think that is what it will come down to.
On a side note. kudos for the charity announcement yesterday. Especially coming from a club owned by an American (most who've been charged with only being in it for the money), its a good sign that Clubs think beyond the bottom line. All Villa fans should be proud. I know all clubs do their part in their communities, and various charity works, but this really sends a good message.
Barney, calm down mate, its just a question. Whether Rafa has the money or not, or whethe...
Barney, calm down mate, its just a question. Whether Rafa has the money or not, or whether he's willing to spend 18M if he's got it is beside the point. And while I agree with you that Villa is entitled to whatever price you want, as the player is under contract, I'm just questioning what is MONs end game strategy here.
If he thinks he's going to get the money then fine, but if Rafa does not pay up (and it does not matter if he's got the cash or not) then MON has isolated a player, his captain, by not trying to talk him into staying over the last 7 weeks, and now fining him and banning him from training. If Barry does stay, think there will have to be some bridge mending between the manager and the captain.
Question for you on this subject. Been talking to Man U fans, who are convinced Ronaldo w...
Question for you on this subject. Been talking to Man U fans, who are convinced Ronaldo will stay at OT, and will be welcomed by the fans. Just like his behavior after the World Cup, all will be forgiven, once he starts performing on the pitch.
Now this might be a bit of blinkered vision on the part of the Mancs, but it also might be a bit of pragmatism, as no matter how much you dislike a player, if he's that good and performing well, you don't want to unsettle him.
So, would Villa fans do the same? If Barry does stay at Villa park, and he does give it his all, like the professional I think we all think he is, do the fans continue booing, or do they get behind him?
I'm a Liverpool fan, but I have no idea if Rafa will offer more, or if MON will come down in price, but got to think realistically, unless we get another club in for Alonso, buying Barry is at best a 50% chance at this point. So with the odds even, how do you treat the player? Give him some stick now, but forgive eventually, or keep up the rough stuff, and risk unsettling him and his performance, if he stays?
Weak response. I put the serious question up as I've noticed your board like ours is infe...
Weak response. I put the serious question up as I've noticed your board like ours is infested by assholes.
I was trying to ask a serious question, and wanted serious responses. I'd expect most Man U fans to believe they are still in the running, but I wanted to know WHY. Debate is backing up your argument, and that's what I'm interested in.
As for the wind up, hopefully at the end of the season, but I won't count my chickens before they hatch. If you take it, or Chelsea wins, I'd expect the wind up coming in my direction. I'm a big boy and can take it, but until then, wanted a little football chat, unless your not a football fan?
I agree, if we don't qualify the mistakes were made well before this game. While many hav...
I agree, if we don't qualify the mistakes were made well before this game. While many have said we should have won on paper, or were unlucky on the day, the fact is, its not easy for any team to go to Moscow and win. Teams that want to qualify need to get results on the away legs, and win at home. England on the other hand, left it to the last games, which proved just a little late.
Did you bother reading any of the comments on the thread, or just like reading headlines a...
Did you bother reading any of the comments on the thread, or just like reading headlines and thinking your now an expert.
But if your interpretation is that because Rafa has a winning average is similar to some of the Liverpool legends, then Liverpool have always been crap. Got to ask what's worse that crap, as we were kicking you every which way but sideways during those years. Also got to think that you must be not much better than crap warmed up now, as we are only a game behind you.
Just wanted to make sure I understood what you were trying to say
Agree I'm sure the Bolton game was most likely a blip, and MU will be in the running late ...
Agree I'm sure the Bolton game was most likely a blip, and MU will be in the running late in the season (although think more likely it will be 2 or 3 other teams also with you until at least April).
My one question is how do the united fans feel about Ronaldo being left out? Not sure he would have made the difference, but with Rooney out, he is one of your most impactful players, so was SAF right to "rotate" his squad?
Get a lot of stick being a Liverpool fan about Rafa's rotation policy, but think you'll agree Ronaldo sat a game that should have been an easy win, so he's well rested for the tougher games ahead like CL. So SAF also rotates he's squad. Is he right to do so, and did he get it right?
LoL, still on number one, and barely can afford that one. Really though its not all about...
LoL, still on number one, and barely can afford that one. Really though its not all about being able to mount a run of X number of games, its looking at the opponents, and current form.
I posted a similar post last week on the LFC board, and actually thought Man U would have the best run between then and the end of the year, as I felt other than Liverpool and Everton, they had the lightest opponents. But, Bolton were better than my predictions.
Chelsea and Arsenal have some tricky fixtures coming up, and Aresenal a more crowded schedule. Not saying they will definitly loose those games, or only get the draw, but think a win in some are less than likely.
