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I've got to admit boys, this summer's transfer window is a bit of a worry - simply because we seem to be the best scouts for the other clubs, and the number of players we've lost to other clubs in the last couple of years.
When we're selling the club to these players, we need a great big screen showing the number of minutes Salah and Willian have played for Chelsea. Maybe that will help! I guess being in the CL might also make a difference.
From the little I've read, I think the accounts were actually better than the headlines suggest. Take all this with a pinch of salt because I haven't done the homework but ...
- The accounts don't include the revenue from the recent commercial deals
- I read that FSG might write off the loan to Liverpool which should generate more profit through lack of interest payments
- I also hear that the CL is worth £50m next season plus gate receipts
- The revenue from finishing higher up the table this year will be a big jump on last year (with the BT money).
I don't think we'll be buying 8 new players but I guess there is room for 3 first teamers.
For me, Konoplyanka, Mica Richards & Loic Remy (unless we can unearth a Yaya Toure/Matic type, in which case blow the budget on him!).
What do you think?
The transfer window raises an interesting point Paddy. Firstly I agree that the squad needs more. Johnson has been pants in my opinion but there's also a whole lot of other things to address to provide a squad that can play in both the PL and CL.
My question is how can we afford this? In a week where the financial results weren't what I'd call 100% comforting and FFP on the horizon then I don't thinks it's a case of going all out. We simply can't afford that.
I'm also aware that when BT Sport start to venture into televising the CL fixtures that revenue per club will jump up again from £30m to around £60m (I may be completely wrong here) but that's a start but I think we'll need more.
No, I know you weren't aiming that at me but am happy to hold my hands up and say that I wasn't at all convinced by BR last season. That said, I argued that he needed two full seasons before anyone judged him and I think he's proven that you need to give people time. It's helped that he's had more time with players on the training field due to us not being in Europe but that just confirms how good he is.
If we can hold onto a CL spot then the next big test for the club will be the transfer window. There will be little point to all this effort to get into the CL if we then don't use the opportunity to attract some ready made CL quality to help the talents that are already there. Over to you FSG & the transfer committee.
Hi Pady & Colyn,
Paddy, def wasn't suggesting you were a naysayer mate, actually don't remember seeing many posts from you over the past, and you seem to be a very reaslistic and positive person like myself, and same said for Colyn & Loki, wherever he is..
We had, and I know Colyn would recall, as I constantly debated to exhaustion, a brigade of folks who were never going to give Brendan 5 games in charge, just "because", and because he replaced Kenny.. Some of the leaps to criticism or points at faults, were borderline lunacy.. IE- Carroll adapting to our existing system and scoring 20-25 goals.
Nonetheless, I think we all had our doubts this season despite our early and continued good start, that sometimes we were winning too ugly, and struggling vs better sides. Now, while we still may lose a few to Chelsea and City, I / we expect to play them full of confidence, score goals, entertain, and put them to the ultimate test, while outperforming teams who've outspent us.
The prospects next year of a full adapted, mature, in form - Suarez-Sturridge-Sterling, and some new faces like Roberto Firmino and Yehven Konoplyanka, with another midfielder, CB and proper full backs, makes you wonder just how high Brendan and his tactics / methods could take us!! Like he said after Soton.. it's great that we can dream!
Good stuff Jason
So we're 23-9-6 which I make 78 points. Still a touch behind the others (I make Chelsea 845 pts By the way) but still pleased as punch.
Good place to be right now.
Stupid international break........................................
Anyone fancy having a go at these? Mine are below and have us finishing a distant 2nd to Chelsea, ahead of Arsenal on goal difference with Man City in 4th (so obviously, I've messed up somewhere!).
Liverpool 28 18 5 5 38 59
Manchester United v Liverpool L
Cardiff City v Liverpool W
Liverpool v Sunderland W
Liverpool v Tottenham Hotspur D
West Ham United v Liverpool D
Liverpool v Manchester City W
Norwich City v Liverpool W
Liverpool v Chelsea D
Crystal Palace v Liverpool W
Liverpool v Newcastle United W = 80pts
Arsenal 28 18 5 5 24 59
Tottenham Hotspur v Arsenal D
Chelsea v Arsenal L
Arsenal v Manchester City D
Everton v Arsenal D
Arsenal v West Ham United W
Hull City v Arsenal W
Arsenal v Newcastle United W
Arsenal v West Bromwich Albion W
Norwich City v Arsenal W
Arsenal v Swansea City W = 80pts
Chelsea 28 19 6 3 30 63
Chelsea v Tottenham Hotspur D
Aston Villa v Chelsea W
Chelsea v Arsenal W
Crystal Palace v Chelsea W
Chelsea v Stoke City W
Swansea City v Chelsea W
Chelsea v Sunderland W
Liverpool v Chelsea D
Chelsea v Norwich City W
Cardiff City v Chelsea W = 89pts
Manchester City 26 18 3 5 42 57
Hull City v Manchester City W
Manchester City v Fulham W
Manchester United v Manchester City D
Arsenal v Manchester City D
Manchester City v Southampton D
Liverpool v Manchester City L
Manchester City v West Bromwich Albion W
Crystal Palace v Manchester City W
Everton v Manchester City D
Manchester City v West Ham United W
Manchester City v Aston Villa W = 79pts
I wasn't so much a naysayer but definately could be described as dubious - boy am I happy to be proved wrong :-).
Very interesting post and shows that we are in the top four based on a longer term trend than just the last few months. It is also interesting how good the other 3 clubs currently in the top 4 have been.
Since we've got 10 to go, with a 2 week break in between our next match, and there's no way to predict how the ensuing 10 will go, nor would I for being superstitious/karma reasons, despite our 9 game unbeaten streak, I figured why not look back at the final 10 of last season, to show how far we've come as team and our progress into this term..
Clearly, we're very much an in form team in the league, Europe, and on the rise, much to the dismay of all of the dearly departed naysayers of Brendan who used to grace the message board, and I hope are still somehow able to read this. Perhaps if we win the league, we'll splash the cash on bringing back Andy Carroll and Charles Adam.
Last 38 Matches:
-Points: 79 (74 would be the EPL record to not qualify)
-Goals Scored: 91
-Goals Allowed: 45
- Goal Difference: +46
-Win Percentage: 61 %
These are pretty astonishing numbers, and I think United won the league last year with something like 83 points or so? Again, these aren't going to equal how we finish our last 10, but I thought it was a very fair correlation and representation, considering we're 18-5-5, clearly getting better and rising all the time, and continuing to prove everyone wrong, even ourselves. In the same period Man City are: 26-4-8 (82 Points), Chelsea: 25-9-4 (85 points), Arsenal: 26-7-5 (85 points)
Pretty much summed it up there Jason. I want the Mancs to realise how difficult it is to get back up to the top. A few years in mid table, where they belong will be fantastic.
I think regardless if they make Europa or not, they're going to have a monumental task ahead of them next year. The performances show that these current players are just so ordinary, and average, that perhaps Fergie was that much of a genius, or knew it was time to jump ship.
I actually hope that Moyes stays on, more than them missing/making Europa, because they need to ship out about 8-9 players, and bring in that many, and without paying insanely over the odds like they did for Mata, who really doesn't fit, they can't get that many more of his caliber or better. Pair that with the 500M+ debt the Glazers have on the club, without European money coming in, but the expectations of winning the league and 2 cups under Moysie, and it looks beautiful to me..
I'd expect City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Us, Spuds, Bitters and young Southampton to all get much, much better. Just think, Fergie mocked Jordan and Sturridge in his book, yet Smalling, Jones, Evans and Cleverley all look abysmal, with Rvp, Evra, Rio, Chich, Young, Nani all headed out.. Maybe Scholes and Giggs can catch a 3rd wind?
I actually hope they go into terminal decline as a side. As we did we fell out of Europe and then it becomes extremely hard to get back. I hope they suffer the same and that it's at least 10 years before they get near a title again.
What goes around comes around
All those lovely Thursday trips to Kazakhstan - lovely! Seriously though, look how we have benefited from not being in Europe, if those b@stards aren't, that might give them the shot in the arm they need too
Wasn't expecting that but it's what happened later with Benitez that went all wrong. Hope Rodgers continues as he has done. need to sure up that defense a bit though.
Albeit, doesn't mean too much because it's not really apples to apples.. Thought it was interesting nonetheless..
After the first 64 games in charge of LFC
Won 32 32
Drawn 18 13
Lost 14 19
GF 137 84
GA 75 58
GD +62 +26
Points 114 109
I didn't realize Clattenburg was a non favorite..? I remember him giving us a contentious goal under the Hodgson reign of terror, where Kuyt & Torres took a dead ball and walked it into the net.. I don't remember any bad ones. Dunno.. different strokes.. I find that I like him because of his age, he keeps up with the pace, he engages the players and managers, and when he is involved in a flash point, he faces up to the clubs and FA.. I think I'd like to throw young Michael Oliver in there.. I think he's very good..
Either way, that was a penalty 10/10 times, and there's no way for me to prove this, but top dollar, says if it was us at Old Trafford, the call would have gone in Shrek's favor (or Young/Nani/Januzaj etc)
Like I was saying previously, refs should be there to have a stamp on the game by the rules, and never by the outcome. That's the standard we have in the states, and the reason so many things can be viewed on replay or a challenge. Granted a PK is a judgment or perception, but that was an egregious call, that anyone up above could have spoken to Webb right in his hearing aid about.. Clear as day
Part of Webb's problem is his Fergie sized ego. I can guess where he got it from too.
Clattenberg isn't popular here, especially at Southampton. Dowd seems ok to me.
Truth is that Webb believes he's bigger than the game being played and that's not right. The same can be said for many a player too. Referees, when doing their job well should be anonymous. Webb feels he needs to be at the forefront of everything.
It also doesn't help that there is little respect for them and the rules simply don't help the referee. It's one of the very few games where it's a benefit to show that you've been injured. In many other games it's taken as a sign of weakness. In football it's used to get an advantage.
I read an article that said he's "escaped" (not sure the person who shared, had the right to use that word) sanction / demotion, and will obviously be in the top flight this weekend. Regardless of whether Suarez embellishes or not (and he does far too much still), a penalty, is a penalty, even if there was one called 10 mins earlier..
The problem is, aside from any conspiracies, no ref in the EPL (maybe any league) wants to make that particular call, again, in that match. My personal 2 favorite refs are Mark Clattenburg and Phil Dowd.. I think Clattenburg, who's been in the middle of many on the field disputes, has the stones to make that call, and maybe Atkinson, who is the red card king.
Webb didn't have the balls, nor do 16/17 others.. In the NFL, the biggest, or smallest of Referee makes the call 10/10 times if they see it, because it's a penalty, it's the rules, and they don't care about any "repercussions" .. I think that's a stigma, EPL refs worry..
Pretty poor wasn't it? Not much I can say other than I feel like I've been burgled and everyone in the street saw it happen