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Juan Manuel Iturbe .. currently on loan at Hellas Verona from Porto.. I feel very strongly about this one, and this player having seen him frequently in Serie A, he's dynamite! Check out his footage.. I'm sure he will look great in Chelsea blue on their bench next season, or on loan with the other 19 players..
Fortunately, what we haven't spent in 2/4 windows, due to whoever's idiocy, will be available (in context), and Rodgers has proven an ability to spot talent and get the best..
This said, like I mentioned above, I think we'll be in a great position to recruit 1-2 really top notch players, or that BR has really fancied, and then add a few more very good bodies from a very talented pool. (Menez, Tello etc etc)
Rodgers has alot more deadwood to ship out, which should allow for funds. Reina, Cissokho, Jones, Aspas, Moses, Toure all outski.. Not to mention, we'll have Suso, Borini and ILori back, who have all really been superb on their loan spells at top level competitions. They've really impressed..
yes teams will strengthen but I think those in the CL next year will start to stretch away even further. The new TV deal really adds some financial welly to those clubs in there and it will be a real toil to clubs outside trying to get in. Hence my giggles at United although they will still have enough financial power to rock the boat.
Of course take your eye off the ball and you'll lose out as always. we do agree that we really need to be on the ball this window however. We can't afford expensive bench warmers and we seriously need the bodies.
Regards to Ayre, he's made himself the world's greatest "yes man", and they pay him enough to do several jobs. I'd read, and who knows if it's true, that he earns in excess of 1M pounds per year!
As for the negotiating, it's routinely said that he's the last man standing in these failed deals, and I guess you could look at it like he's accidentally saved FSG millions at the expense of making Rodgers work alot harder, and making him look better as a manager.
Just think how Dempsey may have helped last season early doors without any other striker, even if only 3-4 goals, yet Rodgers had the team flying upwards at the end of the season, and look at where we are, what he's accomplished since December, without adding Konoplyanak or another wide attacking threat that he's wanted.
Ayre's ineptitude / idiocy (my strong opinion) is making them look genius, but BR too! There cannot be any screw ups this summer, when clearly everyone in the top 5, Utd, Evt and even Newcastle will be strengthening big time!
Must admit I was never a fan of Tomkins. He was Rafa's personal press officer and had been completely brainwashed by him.
Fair points in your post Jason. I would certainly like to know what's going on around the negotiation table. Are playing too much hard ball for example? Perhaps there's more to it or FSG would still tolerate Ayre but I don't know.
2 of the biggest problems we've had in signing our targets this season, both in the summer and in January, not including the UCL factor, because Spuds have the same issue, are: too many LFC related "transfer experts" publicizing everything, and then just not getting them done (Ayre).
We've got guys like Tony Barrett, Paul Tompkins, Duncan Castles etc., who all spend their lives devoted to writing articles and scouring the world to publish who we're after, where Rodgers has been, where our scouts (Barry Hunter) are, and it really makes it a piece of cake for others. Without it being the 30-40M range and obvious, do we ever really know what Chelsea/City/Spuds are up to? All have signed some nice players, without the media hype: Nastasic/Bantaleb..
And, when we finally get to the dinner table, we (Ian Ayre) can't seem to figure out which is the knife, and which is the fork, and someone comes and takes his dinner away as it's getting cold. Mohammed Salah wanted to come to LFC even as Chelsea came in with a bid and terms, and he stated, it just took us too long. Konoplyanka was a sealed deal, and like Dempsey, we waited until the 23rd hour and the owner pulled the plug because he didn't need the money.
Because of FSG, other clubs are now respecting us more as far as the fees go, we're no longer getting fleeced for 25M for 8M players, BUT, they don't take our negotiations seriously, so that is our frustration along with Rodgers. This cannot happen any longer this summer, with or without UCL.
There will be a BASKET full of top notch players available this summer, particularly of the "very good" calibre, who didn't make a top top world cup squad like a Tello w/ Spain etc., and we should be locking those players up, hand over fist by need.
I think the draw of CL football will be a massive help, if we get there of course. I'm more concerned about the money side. We need a fair bit of strengthening and it wont come cheap.
I've got to admit boys, this summer's transfer window is a bit of a worry - simply because we seem to be the best scouts for the other clubs, and the number of players we've lost to other clubs in the last couple of years.
When we're selling the club to these players, we need a great big screen showing the number of minutes Salah and Willian have played for Chelsea. Maybe that will help! I guess being in the CL might also make a difference.
From the little I've read, I think the accounts were actually better than the headlines suggest. Take all this with a pinch of salt because I haven't done the homework but ...
- The accounts don't include the revenue from the recent commercial deals
- I read that FSG might write off the loan to Liverpool which should generate more profit through lack of interest payments
- I also hear that the CL is worth £50m next season plus gate receipts
- The revenue from finishing higher up the table this year will be a big jump on last year (with the BT money).
I don't think we'll be buying 8 new players but I guess there is room for 3 first teamers.
For me, Konoplyanka, Mica Richards & Loic Remy (unless we can unearth a Yaya Toure/Matic type, in which case blow the budget on him!).
What do you think?
The transfer window raises an interesting point Paddy. Firstly I agree that the squad needs more. Johnson has been pants in my opinion but there's also a whole lot of other things to address to provide a squad that can play in both the PL and CL.
My question is how can we afford this? In a week where the financial results weren't what I'd call 100% comforting and FFP on the horizon then I don't thinks it's a case of going all out. We simply can't afford that.
I'm also aware that when BT Sport start to venture into televising the CL fixtures that revenue per club will jump up again from £30m to around £60m (I may be completely wrong here) but that's a start but I think we'll need more.
No, I know you weren't aiming that at me but am happy to hold my hands up and say that I wasn't at all convinced by BR last season. That said, I argued that he needed two full seasons before anyone judged him and I think he's proven that you need to give people time. It's helped that he's had more time with players on the training field due to us not being in Europe but that just confirms how good he is.
If we can hold onto a CL spot then the next big test for the club will be the transfer window. There will be little point to all this effort to get into the CL if we then don't use the opportunity to attract some ready made CL quality to help the talents that are already there. Over to you FSG & the transfer committee.
Hi Pady & Colyn,
Paddy, def wasn't suggesting you were a naysayer mate, actually don't remember seeing many posts from you over the past, and you seem to be a very reaslistic and positive person like myself, and same said for Colyn & Loki, wherever he is..
We had, and I know Colyn would recall, as I constantly debated to exhaustion, a brigade of folks who were never going to give Brendan 5 games in charge, just "because", and because he replaced Kenny.. Some of the leaps to criticism or points at faults, were borderline lunacy.. IE- Carroll adapting to our existing system and scoring 20-25 goals.
Nonetheless, I think we all had our doubts this season despite our early and continued good start, that sometimes we were winning too ugly, and struggling vs better sides. Now, while we still may lose a few to Chelsea and City, I / we expect to play them full of confidence, score goals, entertain, and put them to the ultimate test, while outperforming teams who've outspent us.
The prospects next year of a full adapted, mature, in form - Suarez-Sturridge-Sterling, and some new faces like Roberto Firmino and Yehven Konoplyanka, with another midfielder, CB and proper full backs, makes you wonder just how high Brendan and his tactics / methods could take us!! Like he said after Soton.. it's great that we can dream!
Good stuff Jason
So we're 23-9-6 which I make 78 points. Still a touch behind the others (I make Chelsea 845 pts By the way) but still pleased as punch.
Good place to be right now.
Stupid international break........................................
Anyone fancy having a go at these? Mine are below and have us finishing a distant 2nd to Chelsea, ahead of Arsenal on goal difference with Man City in 4th (so obviously, I've messed up somewhere!).
Liverpool 28 18 5 5 38 59
Manchester United v Liverpool L
Cardiff City v Liverpool W
Liverpool v Sunderland W
Liverpool v Tottenham Hotspur D
West Ham United v Liverpool D
Liverpool v Manchester City W
Norwich City v Liverpool W
Liverpool v Chelsea D
Crystal Palace v Liverpool W
Liverpool v Newcastle United W = 80pts
Arsenal 28 18 5 5 24 59
Tottenham Hotspur v Arsenal D
Chelsea v Arsenal L
Arsenal v Manchester City D
Everton v Arsenal D
Arsenal v West Ham United W
Hull City v Arsenal W
Arsenal v Newcastle United W
Arsenal v West Bromwich Albion W
Norwich City v Arsenal W
Arsenal v Swansea City W = 80pts
Chelsea 28 19 6 3 30 63
Chelsea v Tottenham Hotspur D
Aston Villa v Chelsea W
Chelsea v Arsenal W
Crystal Palace v Chelsea W
Chelsea v Stoke City W
Swansea City v Chelsea W
Chelsea v Sunderland W
Liverpool v Chelsea D
Chelsea v Norwich City W
Cardiff City v Chelsea W = 89pts
Manchester City 26 18 3 5 42 57
Hull City v Manchester City W
Manchester City v Fulham W
Manchester United v Manchester City D
Arsenal v Manchester City D
Manchester City v Southampton D
Liverpool v Manchester City L
Manchester City v West Bromwich Albion W
Crystal Palace v Manchester City W
Everton v Manchester City D
Manchester City v West Ham United W
Manchester City v Aston Villa W = 79pts
I wasn't so much a naysayer but definately could be described as dubious - boy am I happy to be proved wrong :-).
Very interesting post and shows that we are in the top four based on a longer term trend than just the last few months. It is also interesting how good the other 3 clubs currently in the top 4 have been.
Since we've got 10 to go, with a 2 week break in between our next match, and there's no way to predict how the ensuing 10 will go, nor would I for being superstitious/karma reasons, despite our 9 game unbeaten streak, I figured why not look back at the final 10 of last season, to show how far we've come as team and our progress into this term..
Clearly, we're very much an in form team in the league, Europe, and on the rise, much to the dismay of all of the dearly departed naysayers of Brendan who used to grace the message board, and I hope are still somehow able to read this. Perhaps if we win the league, we'll splash the cash on bringing back Andy Carroll and Charles Adam.
Last 38 Matches:
-Points: 79 (74 would be the EPL record to not qualify)
-Goals Scored: 91
-Goals Allowed: 45
- Goal Difference: +46
-Win Percentage: 61 %
These are pretty astonishing numbers, and I think United won the league last year with something like 83 points or so? Again, these aren't going to equal how we finish our last 10, but I thought it was a very fair correlation and representation, considering we're 18-5-5, clearly getting better and rising all the time, and continuing to prove everyone wrong, even ourselves. In the same period Man City are: 26-4-8 (82 Points), Chelsea: 25-9-4 (85 points), Arsenal: 26-7-5 (85 points)
Pretty much summed it up there Jason. I want the Mancs to realise how difficult it is to get back up to the top. A few years in mid table, where they belong will be fantastic.
I think regardless if they make Europa or not, they're going to have a monumental task ahead of them next year. The performances show that these current players are just so ordinary, and average, that perhaps Fergie was that much of a genius, or knew it was time to jump ship.
I actually hope that Moyes stays on, more than them missing/making Europa, because they need to ship out about 8-9 players, and bring in that many, and without paying insanely over the odds like they did for Mata, who really doesn't fit, they can't get that many more of his caliber or better. Pair that with the 500M+ debt the Glazers have on the club, without European money coming in, but the expectations of winning the league and 2 cups under Moysie, and it looks beautiful to me..
I'd expect City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Us, Spuds, Bitters and young Southampton to all get much, much better. Just think, Fergie mocked Jordan and Sturridge in his book, yet Smalling, Jones, Evans and Cleverley all look abysmal, with Rvp, Evra, Rio, Chich, Young, Nani all headed out.. Maybe Scholes and Giggs can catch a 3rd wind?
I actually hope they go into terminal decline as a side. As we did we fell out of Europe and then it becomes extremely hard to get back. I hope they suffer the same and that it's at least 10 years before they get near a title again.
What goes around comes around
All those lovely Thursday trips to Kazakhstan - lovely! Seriously though, look how we have benefited from not being in Europe, if those b@stards aren't, that might give them the shot in the arm they need too