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My view on this would have been to play a really strong side, get ahead and haul players off when the job was done. Rodgers took the other view and gave a run out to other squad players and for 45 minutes it didn't work. It shows that we need some squad depth and there's too many players that aren't up to scratch in my book.
Anyway job done so back to the league now.
So, we've managed to get through our festive period, in so/so shape.. I say so/so, not so much for results, but because unfortunately, but predictably, we've suffered injuries, and bad ones. For me (imo) Allen has been absolutely fantastic, and allowed Henderson to really develop, and giving Lucas much needed support. Sakho hurts because he was forging a commanding partnership (though shaky on the ball) with Skrtel, though Agger is more than capable of doing the job, if he keeps focused. Then of course, Glenda hurt herself shooting the ball and stubbing toes into the turf.. only her!
Anyways, so the quandry is really over the Romance of the Cup, who BR has available, who starts, and how to prepare for this, while making sure we're close to 100% for Stoke, which is much more important. The poisoned chalice of course, if we win and someone gets hurt, Rodgers is to blame, if we lose, we lose at Anfield, we're out of the cup, Rodgers doesn't take seriously, and we lose to Oldham two years in a row.
My lineup, and I guess it will give my thoughts in it, goes like this:
Mignolet (no rest needed, Hull barely worked him)
Kelly, Skrtel, Toure, Cissokho (Kelly needs to, Cissokho can use time/be risked, Toure/Skrtel just fine)
Lucas / Henderson (This part is brutal, I want to leave both out, or 1, but can't seem to do it)
Aspas-Suarez-Moses (Don't think much to change here, obv just pray w/ Suarez)
If it's something like that, we know Suarez wants to play, get him off early as possible, get on Gerrard for Jordan, and toss in whoever, to get Lucas off.
Oh, and one more thing Jason.. you forgot to say the picture was a great photoshop job haha! Salah's head on Coutinho's body.. It's quite funny, but I'm sure he'll be in Merseyside Friday to put his own head back on..
Liverpool did secure first option on Will Hugues of Derby County, with Wisdom extending his stay for the remainder of the season.
Tello's agent met with Barca Sports Director today, and apparently he does want a loan away, but prefers Spain, and Valencia now seem the likely destination. I think he's worried about failing in a short period, vs going for the league he knows.. I don't know that doing well at Valencia does him much more good, then doing well in England, but it's his choice.. I'd be stunned if we got him now
A bunch of babble now Mohammed Salah will be in Merseyside by this weekend.. I even have a picture downloaded of him holding a signed LFC shirt Who knows. This guy's story changes more than my socks.. People seem up in arms that he's headed our way..
Just going to sit back and laugh (and cry)..
The interesting (and frustrating for me), is everyone in, and everything I can read, in Spain, says Tello is coming. Anything else, besides Sky 1/3, says otherwise. I know Rodgers won't say anything, so it's just a frustrating situation, aside from him being a favorite player, just knowing how massively he would impact us. We had 5-6 clear 1v1 chances yesterday, and players like Tello, and that Barca Calibre, finish for fun..
Anyways, yes, I saw that same article. Glen really, really is terrible. Yesterday, again, he offered nothing, and he must be the only footballer on earth, aside from Hargreaves, to injure themselves, taking a shot, and jamming their toes into the turf. He plays slow, lax, and just doesn't seem to care. I'd read some contract things about him prior to the season, about not wanting to renew, or money, and if that's part of it, get him out. He wouldn't even find a spot in a top 4-6 side.. Rafael, Walker, Sagna, Zabaleta, Azpilicueta/Ivanovic, Coleman.. Good Luck Glenda..
As for Agger, with our lb situation so bad, and Sakho hurt, he can't go anywhere, and until we either recall some players (Assaidi / Suso ??) or bring in someone new, Aspas can't go. End of the day, people do complain a bit much over "squad", but if you didn't have a squad, you'd send 11 players out, and a backup keeper. That said, Aspas showed a lot more effort, strength, and a few nice touches, than I can remember, so he should go again in the cup match. Same for Moses. Thing with Moses is, I think he just has to be a starter to show the quality we had seen in glimpses, but he's not reaching that with us..
End of the day, we need 2-3 bodies, badly, and quality ones who can start, or push the starters to the brink. For now, I want to see Alberto get a go, and more Aspas.. Kelly too, I'm done with Glenda..
I'm hearing the same things Jason.
being a long term Liverpool fan I really enjoy the fact that the press are guessing what we're up to in the transfer market and the club management as a whole. That's the way we used to do it until the Spice Boys came along and the Benitez waged his own press room for his own self gratification and waging war on the two Texans.
However we are very quiet to day, even by our standards. Too much United speculation at the moment. Which I don't mind either!
Tello would be a great signing no doubt. On the flip side I saw an article yesterday on players that should leave. The three names mentioned were Johnson, Agger and Aspas. I actually agree pretty much with my only concern would be squad depth. Johnson hasn't been great, Agger seems to switch off every now and then and Aspas has contributed zilch. Moses too in my book and over the longer term Lucas can go as well.
As the merry wheel goes round and round, it seems like I'm officially, and embarrasingly, a big fat, 0-2.. Supposedly we're very, very interested in Salah, and his fee is suggested around 7M, but for some logical (no sarcasm intended), it seems we may wait until the summer. Makes sense, with him having scored in both victories over Chelsea in the UCL this campaign, and many clubs interested. Maybe we can pay 17M, when his contract is only down to 2 years in August.. Scratching my head..
As for Tello, Spain says he's coming, everyone else, going nowhere.. For me, he is the IDEAL signing, especially on a loan. He's so talented, and experienced at 22.
I should realize by now, not only being a Liverpool fan, I just don't have the patience for this rubbish. Granted Rodgers said with a straight face last year the same thing, nothing is imminent, and Coutinho/Sturridge came right in, but I really wish, we could just be a little more encouraging and active. Too slow..
It's about the best and right players, BUT, we do need players, and I look forward to the window, where I don't feel such a strong need to say that. Surely, the slower we act, the faster Suarez will be looking to July!
I'm trying my hardest to ignore the numbers right now. I'm more interested in what and who comes in (and who leaves). I want to see players that can and will make a real contribution. Even under Rodgers we seem to struggle on that side of things with several signings just warming the bench at best.
If that changes then I can see us pushing on and giving those above us a real run for their money.
Figured I'd might as well start it's own thread, especially so I can converse with myself at this hour, and also correct myself, after my last comments in the previous post.
In regards to Tello, I'm going to play antagonist to my own favorite target, despite reading alot suggesting possible good news. In quotes from Spain: "Despite interest from Liverpool and Valencia, Barcelona don't want to let Tello leave on loan. He'll complete the season at Barcelona."
Tello is on the bench tonight for Barcelona friendly match in Indonesia, China or something. Also, of more negative news, per a Barcelona source, because of recent rises in playing time, Martin Montoya (rb/lb) has asked to re-open contract extension talks. (Alba & Alves now healthy, so maybe a loan exists)
Those come from a respected Barcelona / Spanish source, so, for now, I'm just rolling with the Mohammed Salah story only, waiting to see that done, hoping we can pull off Tello, which seems to he his decision.
Watch this space, and the tabloids (blah) .. tick tock tick tock..
I usually like this, and find it easier posting, in the summer, so I apologize to you guys and anyone else reading if I'm off, but I'm going off the typical dirt digging that I do, reading/conversing in Spanish, and then some things I just happen to read on my side of the pond.
Before getting into names, without any firm source, I am under an impression (this makes City / Chelsea laugh of course) BR has somewhere around 40M to spend, IF he can get the players he wants.
Topping the list, in no order, Ivan Rakitic (the most costly), Mohammed Salah, Martin Montoya, Jorginho, Cristian Tello, Juan Manuel Iturrbe (a buy for now, no move until Summer), and then 150 names w/ a dart..
Supposedly, Mohammed Salah, seems to be the very first one on his way in and to be announced, if the sources are right, as they're saying as soon as Thursday, perhaps no later than Monday after the Hull match. I doubt he'd be announced Thurs if we play that day..
Just my hunch, Salah and Tello, which would be spectacular additions up front/out wide, and like you say Loki, actually fit the mould and ethos Rodgers has, not just names and talent to fit into pegs.
Fingers crossed fellas!!
Let that be true! It will be interesting to see the dosh available to Brendan, but we know enough about him to trust he knows what's needed. What we won't do is buy 38 players like Spurs and try and integrate them in one go. He's going for a more organic approach.
We're on the verge of bringing in one of my dream signings, Cristian Tello on a 6 month loan from Barca.. It's being splattered all over the news in Spain already, and making it's way to England. Unless another club (Valencia) steps in, it seems all but done, and I'll be thrilled to death. Ideally, if it happens and he performs the way I would envision, we could try to make it permanent in the summer with Reina and/or Agger (whose strongly suggested) as parts of the deal.
Aside from what we all know, and said about the players above, I feel equally as strong about needing more in attack, hence, Tello and then another player like Salah or someone else. Our best form of defense in our wins, has been attack, especially at home, and in these past two games, we simply couldn't generate enough quality chances with all eyes on Suarez and Sterling the main threats, and little room for Coutinho to operate.
We really really deserved at least 1 point, if not all 3 at City, and could have crafted a few more chances for all our possession at the Bridge and nicked a point, but if you look at both games, all other topics aside, no Suarez, not many chances, no goals.
For as bad as our LB/RB and Lucas were, 2 goals would see us in 2nd place, or 3rd at worst, and we could have really set a marker and edge up in 1st..
This window, may be the most vital in as long as I know.. (Until Suarez part 2 this summer)
Hi Jason / Loki
I don't think there's anything new there. We all know the squad is thin and has been for many years. Even under Benitez it was thin in quality but bloated with overpaid non contributors. I was seriously hoping for 2-3 points out of these two games as I think we have that potential. It obviously wasn't to be and we need to work incredibly hard to rebuild confidence and momentum. It is good that many of the so called bigger sides still need to come to Anfield. That may yet prove crucial in the run in.
I agree on Johnson. He's just not at the races at the moment and in my opinion along with Lucas he's a waste of money and effort. Flannagan to his credit has shown what we've been missing as far as full backs are concerned. I've not forgotten Enrique either.
We seriously need the middle of the park sorting. That would put us in good stead in games like the last two. We would dominate possession better and give Coutinho that out ball we seriously need. That would also give the little boost to close out tight games. Such a small thing can make a huge difference in there and Lucas isn't it by several country miles.
As far as targets are concerned today I've seen Emmanuel Agyemang-Badu from Udinese banded about. Not a player I know a lot about to be honest.
I think it shows, much like some of the things you said, that we are also, as good as the very best based on style, substance and hard work, only short of quality in depth. We are absolutely a top 4 team, and I'm comfortable saying, if the squad grows with quality, every bit as good as 2,3,4 and pushing whoever is top.
We need 2 fullbacks, or 1 at the very least, because we seem to have a bunch who can't play either side, so let's hope all that noise over Montoya from Barca is leading to a January move. Next, imo, more than anything, 2 attacking forces, 1 wide and one through the middle. The noise is getting louder and louder, that we may well be signing Salah of FC Basel for a modest fee, and who seems to be a massive upgrade to anyone we've got, with experiences at the highest levels, and also Ivan Rakitic of Sevilla, who would be similar to Mkhitarayan that Rodgers desired.
I noticed another problem today, Coutinho tries to do too much and more, and sometimes gets nothing done. I could see it today more than ever because he was up against his mates, Oscar, Luiz, Willian, and is desparate to get in the Brazil squad, but he just tries to leave too much to do. He catches the ire of Suarez and Sterling more and more each week, with wayward shots, or over dribbling.
I think the addition of Salah or Rakitic, or both, would give us what we want in the middle by default, in Jordan. He's been ever impressive roaming forward, but at the same time, is perfectly capable of being a big, athletic, driving force in a deeper spot. We're all admirers of Diame, and he often lines up behind the striker for WHU, and while he's better (older too), I see similarities and more in Jordan. That said, I'd have Diame too. If we could add Montoya, Salah (or Tello), Rakitic, Diame, I'd be delighted.
Word, or rumor has it over here in some readings, that Rodgers could have a handsome amount, for the "right" players, noted above, along with Menez/Jorginho/Pastore/Cabeye etc etc..
It was said we will have a better idea of our title credentials after this week. Well now we know!
1) The squad is short on quality behind the first 11
2) Because no one is pushing Johnson, he's turned into Pepe Reina!
3) we are desperate for a beast who can control the middle
We have to address this next week - 3 players of suitable quality must be out there. Twice in a week we've let a winning position slip.
I'm pretty sure that couldn't have been the case because Cissokho was hanging out in the final 3rd all day long, and there were countless times where City split us apart on the counter, only to be saved by last ditch defending by Skrtel or whomever else, everyone but Glen. Even if he was told that, he didn't defend either, and he turned the ball over like it was his job. For a guy as truly talented as he is, he is serving as a complete utter waste of space right now, especially when you see how Flannagan has done as a left back, or even Jordan Henderson as make shift RB earlier..
I get what you're saying about the away wins, but, that's been an issue for us for nearly 5 years now, and ironically, Chelsea seems to be the only ground we've won at. However, I really do have to say, that everyone was fearful of horrible result at Spurs 3 weeks ago, and we absolutely ran them ragged off the pitch, and could have done 8-0..
After tomorrow, we will have played 7 out of the top 8 teams, away from home, and all of the top teams, including us, are doing 2 things consistently more than any year in recent memory.. Winning home games, and sweeping away the lower side of the table without mercy. We, Everton and Arsenal all have 1 loss at home, City and Chelsea have 0, then Spurs/Utd/Newcastle have dropped more. Of the top 5, that's 3 home losses from 40 home fixtures.. We will now face 7/8 at our joint in the new year... Someone's going to be on the wrong end of a right beating at Anfield..
There's no end gain in losing admirably, but we put City on the edge for 90", absolutely wrecked Spurs, and I expect a similar effort / performance at the Bridge. Back to the topic, if Glenda doesn't start putting in 1/4 the effort of 19 y/o Sterling, I hope we bring in Montoya and get shot of him..
I think he was told not to go beyond the halfway line until we went behind. My thoughts are that there is no way on Earth we are going to offer deals to either Moses or Cissokho. They are totally #$%$
There is a wider issue though. At the end of the day we have not got a positive result at a contenders place - it doesn't matter how we played, we still lost. Until we can start to consistently get results at four or five grounds - and beat them at our place, we will be also rans.
First off... City 6 Arsenal 3, City 4 United 1, City 6 Spuds 0, City 3 Everton 1, City 4 Newcastle 0, (just recently, City 4 BAYERN 2), City 2 Liverpool 1... I hate losing, especially feeling hard done like that, but I hold my head high knowing we went there for 3, and played like we deserved 3..
The average age of our lineup yesterday vs Champions elect, was 24 years old per player vs. City's average of like 24M per player, and we slugged it out like a 12 round title fight.
So, my problem wasn't the result (bad decisions aside), effort, Mignolets' error, or Kompany beating Skrtel for a goal, despite shirt tugging. My problem wasn't even with Lucas, who I've been all over lately, because he played fairly well.. WHERE THE HELL IS GLENDA JOHNSON?? Our 17M right back, and England #1 (no more due to Walker) wasn't at the stadium yesterday, and seems to appear less & less each week.
The highlight of his day, was a terrible yellow, for clipping the heels of a City player on what was sure to be an odd man rush, with him too lazy and careless to have tracked back. He put in 1 dangerous cross all day.
If it were up to me, Kelly or Flannagan at 60% would take his spot, and Cissokho retain left... He's a passenger on the bus.. Any other player noted above, who made a mistake, more than made up and carried their weight..
The set pieces and overall team defending, is driving me crazy. What's even more annoying, aside from lack of clean sheets, which is a pride thing, is that we're right up there with the rest in goals conceded, but not nearly as many come from open play, which just shows a lack of positional sense, discipline, and "want to"
I saw so many great balls (in a daft game) tonight in Chelski v Ars.enal, from both sides, and everyone of them was dealt with superbly, and immediately cleared from the box.
Like I said, a few great results could have gone bad early, and if City get one on us early, from set play, which is very real with their height, we will be in for a bad, bad day.
As far as the defensive setup, I would not change a thing at CB, SAS2, seem to be our best pairing, and the best suited for every style, particularly this one. As for fullbacks, Flanny has been great, both forward and defensively, but the fact City could throw Navas/Nasri/Silva at him, does scare me, though I had the same fear of Lennon/Walker.
Maybe it's the same 4-3-3 personnel again, but I might be inclined to think Kelly at RB and Glenda at LB, may be the best way to go. I wish there was a solution to Lucas, like Agger coming in at CDM, but that's probably a dream..