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If it makes you feel any better, and an interesting move, we've just recalled Joao Texiera from his loan, he scored a goal in his first u-21 match back (a classy one) and I think he has a Jesus in his name somewhere.. Don't forget we (well you guys) had, and have the "King".. we can't be too greedy, though Hulk would also be cool, as would a Zeus!
Re on Moses.. I think we'll have a very strong chance to keep him long term because at the moment, nobody is a better winger in our squad, and he's only 22, with bags of talent. While Moses can still get even better, the sad irony is, he'd never get ahead of Hazard,Willian, Schurrle, Mata, Oscar, Ramires, De Bruyne or whoever else Chelski have, have out on loan, or plan to add to their thin ranks..
Call me naïve if you'd like, but I think we're going to see a lot more players who value playing time equally as much as CL, especially if they don't make their respective world cup squad, or do make it, love it and want to have a bigger role in Euros and future International football. Sitting on the bench or the stands on a CL team, or playing 90" regularly for one challenging to become one, is something I'd consider twice..
Moses has really been a great pick up, and hopefully we can make the deal permanent at some point. If he's playing I'm sure he'd agree to it, and if we get CL, as I think we expect, then the thought of actually playing rather than being on the bench at Stamford Bridge must be appealing.
Just a shame we could not also have picked up Navas, as then we'd have had the full set: Moses, Jesus, and of course God!
Hi Dave / Colyn,
Seems we're all pretty much in agreement and on the same sheet, and I didn't mean to come out as half empty, you guys should know me by now, I'm usually glass full when I'm not being sarcastic, I just felt the need to be a little more harsh because we're off to a good start, but it could be better, and ironically a lot worse if not for a few ifs and buts.
Dave, I will say I didn't mean to overlook Moses, he's been fantastic since the moment we signed him, and 2 years ago I was banging his drum to be signed from Wigan before Chelsea did. He's been nothing short of superb, and he did an admirable job centrally, which is where I'd like to see Alberto come in.
Regards to Sterling, I'm more harsh on him in regards to what I pointed out in his forays going forward and into the final 3rd because his decisions and product, are sub standard, and while he is young, he actually has a ton of experience compared to many players his senior, and those his age. The one thing I'll say in his defense, which you harped on, was that I don't think he had the license to roam too much, particularly drifting inside because he was afterall, our RWB, so had he been caught out somewhere up at the top end, we'd be hardpressed to cope with any counter/speed down that side with Kolo, as we saw vs Soton, so I really just want him to do better when he is forward. He actually did an admirable job as a RWB considering I could pick him up and throw him.. I'm hoping we'll see Kelly at some point, as I might expect Glenda to be nursed back in, always prone to another setback. We'd be far more balanced, and could open back up to a 4-3-3 or 4-2-3-1 / 4-1-3-2..
Yahoo does not seem to like links. Must be afraid of competition which is ironic as they are doing everything they can do to limit folks coming on here.
I'm still planning on posting here, and hopefully things will pick up, but if others want to chat with some of the old guard that used to post here, many have moved over to this board: http://z7.invisionfree.com/LFC_Fans_Forum/index.php?act=idx
Dylan, do you have the link for that site, I lost it when I got a new laptop. I'd like to stick it out here if we can keep the threads coming and hopefully some more folks come back, but maybe another board would not be a bad idea if this one stays so quiet.
With you there Colyn. we can play better, and the good thing from my point of view is the areas where we see issues, or need for improvement I think are positions where either I'd expect the current player to improve over the season, and or we have an even better players currently not in the side. For example, under the current system I felt Sterling was a bit over his head as the right wing back, however he's a player who's definitely still learning and can improve, plus we have Johnson still to come back who I think would thrive in that role. The same goes for the number 10 slot, where Moses imo will improve as he settles, but with PC to come back we don't have to wait for that improvement.
On the league your absolutely right. I along with most pundits would have put it as a fight between the Manchester clubs and Chelsea for the title, then us, Arsenal and Spurs for the 4th slot. But Chelsea just seem to have something missing, City seem to struggle on the road, and the Mancs, just look lost. Meanwhile Arsenal are flying, Spurs look solid, and we're right in the mix. I usually say it takes 10 games for the table to settle, but it may take even longer this term. But I still expect the natural order to start exerting itself, which is why we need to keep up the momentum. We all I'm sure are having a good laugh at the Mancs expense, but end of the day they are only 6 points off the pace, which is not a lot to make up in 30 odd games we have left n the season.
Personally I'm a glass half full too. You can definitely get more in there, which is why I can be rather critical of things.
The results? Good
Score 3 goals? Good
Can we play better? Yes
Should we do better? yes, most definitely
Will we need to do better? You can bet your bottom dollar on that.
However on the flip side I do need to pinch and remind myself if I had been offered this position before the season started would I have taken it? Yup, without question but the league has a weird feeling this year. No bad thing but cross fingers we can take advantage of it.
I think we have been thinking alike this weekend Jason as i was going to start a thread called "Not Great, but not bad either", which is what I think you're saying, although as usual I put a bit more "glass half full" emphasis.
On not scoring 2 or 3 or 4 more goals, I got to give a little to the players. When you're that far ahead its really hard to keep up the same momentum from one half to the next. And, really it maybe more mental thing than a physical thing. However the reaction after giving up the goal I think is a good sign, as it showed not keeping a clean sheet really hurt, so they wanted to put Palace back under the sword.
On player ratings I'd pretty much agree with you, although I'd tend to be a bit harsher on Sterling. Don't want to have a go at the lad, as he's young and has a long way to go in his footballing education, however going forward I think he was our weak link. As you say poor decision making, but also just did not seem to find the spaces he should have been seeking out either. But he will learn.
But I'd also call out praise for Moses. Yes he should have scored when he got his feet tied up, and maybe he's just not spent enough time with Suarez to expect that low hard cross, but overall against Palace (and since he's been with us) I was impressed. He's not playing in his best natural position (out wide) and it seems he still does not have the perfect chemistry with his teammates yet, but he's direct, good on the ball, and finding the right pass, the right run, and imo really giving us another edge going forward.
Lastly however I'd want to temper expectations. The table really does not mean a thing right now. 10 games before it really starts to reflect things imo. However we are in a good position outright by looking at our margin over those we are likely to be fighting against for a top 4 finish, or compared with where we were just 12 months ago. Forget first or second, we just have to keep moving forward one game at a time.
Irony begins with me, the BR advocate and our current position, but I'm not one for complacency, and I like to view things 1 at a time, as they are..
We should have won that game 6-0, minimum, but again (though better) weren't great in the 2nd half, though for some reason decided to really push about 84"+ as if we were chasing a draw. Granted 2 well crafted chances/shots hit the bar in Sturridge and Moses, and they weren't the 2012 hit the bar type, but we definitely should have had more, much like Fergie's biggest thing, scoring more goals and goal differential.. Just look if we'd won 5-0, we'd be clear by 2 goals, and close to City's +9 which will get higher as they climb. If ever a year where clean sheets and goal diff will mean everything, this is it..
As for the players, I thought some were terrific: Henderson / Skrtel the choices as MoM for me. I've often said I'd like to see Jordan groomed into a box to box because I think he possesses a lot more in his locker than Lucas, and boy did he show it. His pace and work rate make it very difficult to go around and through him, and he allowed Stevie to play more comfortably. Skrtel looked his 2012 form and Sakho was commanding. Enrique was his usual Jekyll and Hyde, good then terrible turnovers. Sterling did ok, but needs much better decision making/end product in the final 3rd.
It was nice to see Alberto getting a run because Coutinho is still week's off, and he's really our best like for like, just needs to get up to speed and cope with the rigors. Suarez and Sturridge great obviously, Mignolet very very good, almost too good because of some poor turn overs and fouls given. There were quite a few moments/scrambles where a team like Arsenal or City will smash them home, and that's my problem, and I'm glad Brendan shared the same.. For those who hated his positives even in bad games, surely you can find enjoyment in his criticism after victories. He wants 90" of perfection & we're a work in progress.
Guys, my fear is that sitting back only gets you so far. Teams have already sussed that pushing hard on the full backs and in central midfield will give us problems. We've seen it every game and you can only ride your luck for so long. I fear we'll lose a couple and then drop like a stone.
keeping the ball is the way forward, for me anyway and we can fiddle systems all we like but at the end of the day iot comes down to personnel and their ability. I still think we're missing something in the middle.
lets see what happens in the next game.
Tactically speaking and in regards to the formation/personnel, what I think would be great, and certainly something we could do with the existing squad, and even better when Glen or Kelly is ready to assume RB again, is what Napoli did 2 years ago, where they ran riot in the CL as the surprise team, and caused havoc in Serie A.. 3-4-3, which also essentially breaks itself into 3-5-2 or 3-4-1-2 depending on the run of play, but allow for tremendous coverage wide, and counter attack play..
For us it would be:
This creates all kinds of chaos in all areas of the pitch, makes it very difficult for the opponent to play through the middle, and allows for a lot of freedom of the 2 main front players, who in our case can interchange with Suarez/Sturridge, where Napoli just really had to get Lavezzi and Hamsik on the ball and find Cavani as the focal..
With Glen back, Lucas available, and the competition at CBS, we'd have Skrtel-Sakho-Agger at the back, and could eventually work in Coutinho as well, when fit.. I found it to be a tremendously exciting formation/style and even last year without Lavezzi (granted Cavani is another planet as is Hamsik) they finished just off Juve, and I happen to think we have overall better personnel. I do prefer 4-2-3-1 at the end of the day, but for 3 CBs this is my favorite especially seeing a top team I like, deploy it.
Well, what I've done, as an fyi, and if you guys happen to see them, is save the link directly here as an icon in my favorites bar at the top of my screen, so it's always here no matter what yahoo does to change it..
Where there's a will, there's a way!
Colyn/Dave, I hear all your points. I am not 100% convinced of the 3-5-2 and we were playing good football before but it definitely suits the current available personel, of that, I think we all agree. Colyn, I think it is a fair comment that we have conceded a lot of the possesion we had last year but it does look to be a straight swap for silly decision making in possesion from our defenders and it seems to be getting better results so I am a little bit lost in it all really.
Whatever the formation, I think we look at our best with Suarez-Sturridge as a partnership, not with one out wide for the other but as a traditional tag team. When PC is fit, I want to see him playing behind those 2, not out wide, maybe in some games but not in general. For me that only really leaves the 3-5-2, a 4-1-2-1-2 (we dont have the players for really) or a 4-3-1-2 which I dont think anyone has really done since that awesome mid noughties Milan side.