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  • Robert M Robert M Dec 10, 2007 01:29 Flag

    Are there any honest United fans?

    Because all the ones on here seem to defend Ronaldo's theatrics. I do not believe that any of them would think yesterday's event should have been a penalty had it been Gerrard, Fabregas or Drogba in place of Ronaldo.


    Robert

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    • With the benefit of the replays: It was not a penalty, Ronaldo left his foot in there and went down with deliberate over-exaggerated drama. I don't blame the ref for thinking there was more serious contact, but Ronaldo's theatrical fall should have given him a clue. I don't like it when Ronaldo does this, as a United supporter I am embarrassed by it - especially as I believe he has been so much better and almost wiped this out of his game over the past two seasons having arrived from Sporting Lisbon with a diving culture embedded in him. I believe he has matured and I believe SAF and the United coaching staff have done a lot to stop his diving. I therefore believe this incident was Ronaldo reacting to the Fulham incident the previous week, where a blatant penalty resulted instead with him being booked. It is not a very sensible move on his part as it 're-confirms' his diving reputation to his detractors. Ronaldo is a brilliant player, I am so thrilled with the way he has embraced United and become integral to our club and its culture, he deserves credit for having got rid of his serial diving, and he needs to understand that even an isolated incident like this does him no good whatsoever.

    • I live in manchester and all united fans are scallies, so its not surprising really, they probably dont even watch the games.

      Prof Rooonaldo is a moron, hes so bitter about Arsenal for some reason. calling them Francenal is just embarrasing, youre the only person that does it

    • ManUre fans are never slow in condemning other teams for players theatrics but I believe that their own club now have by far the worst cheaters in the Premiership. Anderson's disgusting cheating against Arsenal followed by Ronaldo's against Fulham and Derby highlight this and disprove the stupid theory that ManUre fans believe Fergie deals with it in-house.

      Stop burying your heads in the sand ManUre fans and accept that cheating is becoming rife in your club. Absolute disgrace.

    • After a large amount of bad temper in this thread I did what maybe I should have done at the start and did a youtube search on "Ronaldo dive". Amongst other things it came up with this:

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QB6Cd87s2D0&feature=related

      Now, I'm not going to claim that this is 30 dives - a number of them are probably fouls and another number are merely collisions and falling-overs. But there are a fair few dives in there too with a repeated theme. The same actions happen too many times to be an accident or a coincidence.

      I have a theory about it which I call my Northern Lights theory (after what happens when you lose a daemon). This is that there is a peculiar force binding the ball to Ronaldo's foot. When the ball is lost it causes him to fall over.


      Robert

    • But of course we as united fans defend our own players. At least he fell when there is contact.

      If this is completely baned, we should ban tackling as well. Why someone can break your ankle only awarded a foul but to protect yourself, you got branded a cheat?

      British media never had the logic behind them as we seen in recent national team joke.

      • 1 Reply to SIMON
      • Yes, there was contact. But the contact was deliberately initiated by Ronaldo by putting his foot out. Just because there is contact between an attacker and a defender in the penalty area, and the attacker goes down, doesn't make it a penalty.

        To a neutral, the contact was as deliberate as Eboue's putting his leg out against the Middlesbrough player, when he should have had his second straight red card.


        Robert

    • I've just been on another United board (one which is not plagued by the windup merchants and overly-biased rivals we get on here) and not one out of 50 or so posters thought it was a penalty. This board just brings out the worst in people as you can't be as honst as you can with fellow fans with all the haters lurking around, it means you have to be constantly on the defensive.

      The only thing that makes it such a controversial subject is the player involved. As you say, the players you mentioned get these kinds of decisions going their way week in week out, but you don't get the kind of uproar you do when it's Ronaldo drawing an easy foul in the area and going down as a result. I think envy (on the part of rival fans) has a big part to play in it all, to be honest.

      It's just annoying when you've been defending him for the dive that never was and the penalty that should have been all week to then see him taking a tumble after the slightest touch (yes, there was contact) yesterday.

      • 1 Reply to Tim
      • Spot o Tim. Of course the consistently hypocritical Robert will not acknowledge this point. Last week Ronaldo should of had a penalty and is accused of diving when he clearly didn't. This week he's involved in a contentious penalty decision and of course there is outrage again, simple because its him, the league finest player. The way I see it is you can condemn diving all you want, but the guy can't win, you lot will single him out regardless, so United fans have to get behind him. No one condones diving, but then no one rants and raves about Joe Cole, Drogba, Eboue, Sagna and Gerrard doing it all the time, so f*ck the lot of you hypocrites!

    • Yes Robert, as you've said, about a dozen times.
      I've just seen Andy Gray talking about it. Now I know Andy talks crap half the time, but he didnt think there was anything wrong in it, and he's not known for not having a go about stuff like this.
      Sure it was soft, the player sticks his leg out in the box, ronnie says "ta very much, I got booked last week for skipping one of those and then falling over, I think I'll just clatter into him, I'm going nowhere anyway".
      why cant you handle these issues instead of harping on and on and on and on and on and on and on and on when no one wants to agree with you. Your arguments are always based around the your firmly held belief that we cant be objective. I dont think there was a single united fan on here who was prepared to defend him for being sarcy at styles, pathetically trivial though it was, and yet you insist that we cant admit it when a united player does something wrong.
      He's innocent, you are persecuting him, stop pretending otherwise.

    • Your thread Robert, or so you claim, is about "are there any honest united fans".
      My contention is that it's got ball all to do with that, it's just having another endless pop at Ronaldo for taking advantage of a reckless challenge.
      We've had two posters here who make the case for the defence, even though I disagree with them.
      I'd still like to know where this board is, I know there are other boards, they dont have the zip we have in here, which has its pros and its cons.

    • Yes, certainly. We can talk about it all you like.


      Robert

    • drunken, are you an aussie politician by any chance who happens to support manure?

      It's intriguing the way you carry on defending any of your players even when all the evidences are stacked against you.

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