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  • McNab McNab Jul 14, 2008 07:07 Flag

    Banning under 18 transfers

    I've just read the Platini (head of UEFA) wants under 18 transfers banned to stop the EPL from poaching the the hidden talents etc etc.

    Yet another stupid attention to bring down the EPL in its year of glory. I mean whats to stop all the european top clubs from signing them before us. Or is it the simple fact that we have the better scouting abilities and youth departments and the biggest europe clubs ie Real rely on poaching the other teams best players ie Ronaldo, Ruud, RVN etc etc.

    These men need to get a grip and go back to school and learn the basics of football.

    It will make my day when they are forced or hand in their resignation. Complete idiots.

    Regards McNab

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    • This is getting ridiculous now (ie UEFA's attempts to undermine the EPL....)

      What I don't get is why the head of a supposed European body of football is proposing changes to target a particular league only.

      It suggests that the English league is operating outside the rules, where in reality it is operating within the rules but just doing so more effectively than in other countries, creating this perceived imbalance/advantage as a result.

      Platini's persistent attacks on English clubs and the English game in general border on jealousy for mine. He wants to clip wings to create a more level playing field, rather than encourage more clubs on the continent to emulate that same level of success using the same methods.

      Yes, English clubs may be servicing more debt on average than their counterparts on the continent. But isn't that what successful business is about? Not about avoiding debt at all costs, but creating it within reason and the successfully managing and servicing it?

      Perhaps this resentment all stems from the global popularity of the EPL that allows larger clubs to service larger debts. But again, the EPL can hardly be blamed if it's the most watched league in the world....

      Platini is a tw@t. And I think he is very dangerous in his position, with the agenda he quite obviously has.....

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      • "....Yes, English clubs may be servicing more debt on average than their counterparts on the continent. But isn't that what successful business is about?...."

        No, it isn't. You got this totally screwed up.

        A successful business is about looking for niche-market opportunities, and capitalising on the opportunities through branding and optimum marketing of that opportunities via excellent delivery of customer service (think of what the EPL has done better than other leagues). Being Dynamic in the marketplace to changing enviromental factors and ability to adapt to changing conditions in the marketplace.

        The EPL has well-developed marketing plan which appeals to investors and generates much interests from overseas customers. You will also find that the EPL has effectively used technology (TV rights, etc) to appeal beyond its boundary unlike say the eredivisie or other European leagues.

        A successful business try as much as possible to avoid carrying too much debts, large debts are a tell tale signs that a business is in distress.

      • He's not.....he has stated that this is within European football as a whole and made no reference to the Premier League in the interview.

        The only people who have said that he wants this for the Premier League only are on this and other boards on the Internet.

        It's just an 'Everyone hates us' mentality that is rife at the moment.

        Platini wants to find a way to stop 'Player Movements' of under 18 players in all countries covered by UEFA juristiction...not just England, so lets not get carried away here.

    • It could also be said that the Premiership clubs are not giving these kids the chance to mature in the lower leagues, this has two downsides, first of all they don't get to play first team football at a young age like they used to in the past, and secondly they are often poached by bigger clubs and this denies the smaller clubs the chance to get decent transfer revenue at a later date.
      I don't agree with a lot that UEFA come up with but in this instance I actually agree that this has some merits.

      An example; Lee Sharpe joined Torquay United in 1988, he was clearly a fantastic young player and Torquay had taken him into their YTS ranks and blooded him in the first team with 16 games.
      Manchester United had a scout at a Torquay game and instantly saw his potential, as a result Torquay got a great transfer income of £200,000 which was a lot of money 20 years ago, it was all carried out fairly and both clubs benefited greatly as Sharpe went on to play 193 times for United.
      This £200,000 at the time went a long way to buliding a new stand which was much needed by the lower league club.

      If it was modern day there would be a very good chance that as a trainee the Lee Sharpes of this world would be poached by a bigger club and a paltry compensation offer would have to be accepted.

      So I would have to agree with UEFA on this one, lets give these kids a chance to shine in the lower leagues...it may even help to bolster future English talent, which is I think the idea behind the UEFA plan.

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      • Isn't Platini, as usual, looking at this the wrong way round? The issue is big clubs poaching youngsters and not paying a reasonable fee.

        Banning transfers for U18 doesn't solve this. It just slows down their development as they won't get playing with better players until after 18.

        And Platini conveniently forgets that Italian clubs have been recruiting young players from Argentina for years, as have Spainish clubs with young Brazilians. France's youth system almost entirely comprises of young African players from former colonies, many of whom are promised riches and then left on the streets when these promisies are not realised (although, this might be the fault of agents and not the clubs themselves).

      • I think if you put aside the fact that Platini doesn't like us English to much his plan works well and as London explains everyone would benefit as players would be allowed to develop and those that are good enough will be spotted and a proper fee can be paid out to the selling club for the time and effort they have put into developing these kids.The other upside is that clubs might start scouting kids from the area they are based in instead of taking the easy option of taking kids from other clubs abroad.

        The FA are partly to blame on this as any acadamey player if british should reside and school within a certain milage from the club ground so it makes sense to look abroad where there are no such restrictions in place.

    • Mc it's pretty obvious what they are trying to do, trouble is they are not thinking the answers out properly, at least platini is TRYING to have one foot in reality unlike a certain fella from switzerland.
      The reality is that its the club verses country battle, where Clubs are winning and national associations are not happy with having their power watered down

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      • Don't understand why this is a club vs. country issue; can you expand?

        Also I don't see why other clubs could get the youngsters ahead of EPL teams; surely the ban is across UEFA and not just the English leagues?

        I suppose it depends how the proposed ban would work - is it between professional clubs or amateur/professional? Such a move will actually stiffle football as there are many under 18s who have played for their club and country who might not do so with this rule.

        And yet again, I'm sure the EC rules on freedom of movement/restriction of rights etc will kick in.

    • Mc it's pretty obvious what they are trying to do, trouble is they are not thinking the answers out properly, at least platini is TRYING to have one foot in reality unlike a certain fella from switzerland.
      The reality is that its the club verses country battle, where Clubs are winning and national associations are not happy with having their power watered down