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  • A Yahoo! User Dec 23, 2009 19:39 Flag

    Just how good actually is Fergie?

    Im not here to provoke any of you, but I noticed that some of you reacted badly to one of your own questioning whether or not it was time for Fergie to go, and thought maybe we could have a sensible debate on the subject?
    Is that permitted?
    PROS
    - His man management skills are hands down in a league of their own.
    - He knows what it takes to win, and this nature of his permeates throughout the squad.
    - Has an eye for a player and knows what they need to have to fit into his style of play.
    CONS
    - Has had huge resources, so maintaining your status as a top two club has been easier than it has been for others.
    - Has made some very poor signings, expensive ones too.
    - Tactics seem one dimensional when up against a tactically astute manager.
    - For a club who have been as dominant as yours for the past 15 years, your record in Europe is pretty poor.
    I stand by what I said, I see Mourinho coming in and making you unbeatable in the league, and making you an unstoppable force in Europe, if you are willing to accept his tactics in replace of the attacking football you favour.
    I dont believe anyone else has the mental strength to come in after such a massive figure at the club. It would be Mark Bosnich all over again!

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    • "for a team so dominant at home, he should have won more CLs"

      On that basis lyon should have won the CL as they have been totaly dominate in the French league. Or how about bayern munich as they were until recently totally dominate in the German league. Winning in Europe is far more difficult than winning a domestic league which is why no club has dominated either the CL or the uefacup/europa league.

    • GREAT THREAD!!

      Especially when you realise the Author "Kaneh Bollocks" is none other than silly Christopher!!!!!


      Oh dear.

    • You are obviously a Mourinho fan which is fine but you forget who Mourinho learn't his trade from.The Late Great Sir Bobby Robson!Sir Alex Ferguson is from that same school of hard knocks, Mourinho isn't.A Steve Bruce, Mark Hughes and Martin O'Neill type is who should if anyone succeed Sir Alex Ferguson.Mourinho would not last too long with United, he doesn't know how to nurture players especially the young.I give you the example of what he did with Joe Cole which personally I don't think was right as Joe Cole is one of the best English players to be produced in this country in the same mould as a Gazza.Sir Alex Ferguson has contiinually built new teams that win Championships so for you to question how good he is, is a joke.The influx of Foreign managers to the premiership is a good thing, and the England manager being foreign is also a good thing.What it highlights is the lack of knowledge alot of British managers have.Its like when the foreign players began coming to england to play, it was a shock to the system but the premiership as a whole has reaped the rewards technically and financially.Mourinho is an okay manager, what he does well is takes chances well.Chelski was set up for him by Ranieri, and Ranieri will always be credited with the respect of chelskis title wins.Mourinho just was the manager in place.Sir Alex Ferguson is one of the best managers in the world, his experience is second to nobody and his respect in the game is too big to even comprehend.Manchester United are hated on because of their success hence Sir Alex Ferguson is questioned as you have!Sir Alex Ferguson is no god, he is human hence tactically he will get it wrong most recently at Fulham for the three nil drubbing.But when he gets it right, the results are there for all to see and that is why he is unquestionable!In Sir Alex Ferguson we trust, we respect, we believe, thats the Manchester United way!End of!

    • fergie DIDNOT change the fortunes of the club, that was done when edwards listed it on th estock market!

    • In answer to your question he is Very, V, V, V, Good

      • 1 Reply to debz
      • How good is Sir Alex? well he is this good. and yeah I copy and pasted it so sue me.



        St. Mirren (1974–1978)

        * Scottish First Division: 1976-77

        Aberdeen (1978–1986)

        * Scottish Premier Division: 1979–80, 1983–84, 1984–85
        * Scottish Cup: 1981–82, 1982–83, 1983–84, 1985–86
        * Scottish League Cup: 1985–86
        * UEFA Cup Winners' Cup: 1982–83
        * UEFA Super Cup: 1983

        Manchester United (1986–)

        * Premier League: 1992–93, 1993–94, 1995–96, 1996–97, 1998–99, 1999–2000, 2000–01, 2002–03, 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008–09
        * FA Cup: 1989–90, 1993–94, 1995–96, 1998–99, 2003–04
        * League Cup: 1991–92, 2005–06, 2008–09
        * FA Charity/Community Shield: 1990,[61] 1993, 1994, 1996, 1997, 2003, 2007, 2008
        * UEFA Champions League: 1998–99, 2007–08
        * UEFA Cup Winners' Cup: 1990–91
        * UEFA Super Cup: 1991
        * Intercontinental Cup: 1999
        * FIFA Club World Cup: 2008

        Individual

        * Football Writers' Association Tribute Award: 1996
        * Mussabini Medal: 1999
        * UEFA Champions League Manager of the Year: 1998–99
        * BBC Sports Personality of the Year Coach Award: 1999
        * BBC Sports Personality of the Year Team Award: 1999
        * IFFHS Club Coach of the Year: 1999
        * LMA Manager of the Decade: 1990s
        * Laureus World Sports Award for Team of the Year: 2000
        * BBC Sports Personality of the Year Lifetime Achievement Award: 2001
        * English Football Hall of Fame: 2002
        * Onze d'Or Coach of the Year: 1999, 2007
        * Professional Footballers' Association Merit Award: 2007
        * UEFA Team of the Year: 2007, 2008
        * Premier League 10 Seasons Awards (1992/3 - 2001/2)
        o Manager of the Decade
        o Most Coaching Appearances (392 games)
        * Premier League Manager of the Year: 1993–94, 1995–96, 1996–97, 1998–99, 1999–00, 2002–03, 2006–07, 2007–08, 2008-09
        * Premier League Manager of the Month: August 1993, October 1994, February 1996, March 1996, February 1997, October 1997, January 1999, April 1999, August 1999, March 2000, April 2000, February 2001, April 2003, December 2003, February 2005, March 2006, August 2006, October 2006, February 2007, January 2008, March 2008, January 2009, April 2009, September 2009
        * LMA Manager of the Year: 1998–99, 2007–08
        * World Soccer Magazine World Manager of the Year: 1993, 1999, 2007, 2008

        Orders and special awards

        * Officer of the Order of the British Empire (OBE): 1983
        * Commander of the Order of the British Empire (CBE): 1995
        * Knight Bachelor: 1999

    • I do. You just want more and more Champions League trophies, and you're entitled to want it alright. But as far I'm concerned, we're not talking about Football Manager here, but the real world.

      Merry Christmas everyone!

    • In answer to your question he is V, V, V, V, V, Good

      • 1 Reply to debz
      • He is the best ever manager bar none in the English game and the trophy count states that as fact not fiction. What also makes him the best is that he also states where he has failed to live up to his own very high standards and that is the CL.I remember him saying many times that we as a club should have done better so for that reason he is the best ever manager in English football.

        Nobody can ever take away just what he has done for United and I doubt any other manager will achive his succes in football due to the lack of time managers get these days and the need for instant sucess by throwing money at a club such as City being the latest example. You can also say along with his sucess he has made some mistakes and I bet he would be the first to point them out so to finish, he is a legend that nobody will ever compete with in the future and I pity anyone who comes in after him because all they will hear week in week out is how SAF would have done this or that so it will need a very strong mind to take over when he does go.

    • You just don't understand it, do you.

    • Another ABU that doesn't know what they're talking about. Fergie spent net £9m season. Given his return that makes him pretty good.

    • Eric, I know Fergie said that, not you. What I mean is why should we use these words against him? He clearly said that this CLUB has not won enough CLs. He didn't say ALEX FERGUSON hasn't won enough CLs. And even if he said this, it's only his hunger for success, which is examplary. Manchester United Football Club is older than Fergie's 25 years in charge, you know? Give the man credit for contributing 2/3 of this club's European Success.

      The title of this thread should have been: "Just how difficult is the Champions League", because even the best manager of this time could win it 2 times only. I think all these talks are just a proof that the Champions League is not like the league title, which you can win more than a few times in a decade.

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