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  • A Yahoo! User Feb 1, 2010 11:41 Flag

    Should John Terry Step Down from the England Captaincy?

     

    After all Capello will have to pick Wayne Bridge since he is the backup to Ashley Cole. How is this going to affect the English camp? Terry and Bridge were good mates at Chelsea and now Terry goes and does this! Should he step down?

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    • From a footballing point of view, JT is rather more important to the England team than Bridge, particularly if Ashley Cole is fit.

      From an employment point of view, what JT does in his private life is up to him and those directly affected. Lots of people, and particularly the newspapers (and particularly after the gagging order) seem to think they have a right to talk people out of their job and they may succeed. A sustained campaign might force him out of his position just as the media forces politicians out of their jobs. It's not clear whether football captains should be expected to behave like saints in their private lives. It's also not clear whether forcing JT out of this position would encourage attention onto other footballers private lives.

      From a moral point of view, each makes up his own mind. It could be argued that WB has no great reason to make a fuss if his *former* girlfriend then starts dating someone else. If Bridge thinks he doesn't then want to play in the same team/squad as the other person then isn't that his problem?

      My impression is that really the only person who should have a grievance here is JT's wife. And for me, it's for the two of them to sort it out.

      Of course, like the papers, those who didn't like JT before this will see it as great sport.


      Robert

      • 2 Replies to Robert M
      • Robert, I do agree with you that a) the England squad should be picked on footballing merit; b) the England captain should be selected on leadership merit on the football field, although his public conduct off the field should also be such that he brings honour and respect to the team; and c) that what anyone does in his / her private life should generally be allowed to be kept private. As I understand these allegations, the reason Vanessa Perroncel is now WB's ex-girlfriend, effective December, is because of the JT affair. In that case, just as we hear JT and WB were great mates, so too are both of them great mates with other members of the teams they have played with for England and Chelsea. This is where there may be a problem. JT has violated the very special bond that develops within teams that metaphorically fight and live and die together. The Band of Brothers camraderie is visceral. If mutual friends and team-mates find themselves torn over this issue, then JT's position as captain may become untenable. He shouldn't lose the captaincy because of any moral stance to be taken by anyone, but he should if he has lost the respect and support of players in his squad. For my part, I feel very sorry for JT's wife and kids who are the innocents in all this, and I feel sorry for WB - and, whilst JT and VP are to blame, I also feel sorry for everyone in a messy situation like this. There are no winners. Things like this happen and I don't want to judge anyone. The full story is none of our business. I personally hope JT's team-mates can live with any fallout and move on. If any of them genuinely can't forgive him for what he has done to one of their own, then you have a footballing issue arising out of an off field issue. Andy Cole and Teddy Sheringham were not on speaking terms yet played perfectly well together. So it is possible, but rare. Even this Welshman wants everything to be perfect inside the England camp for the WC. So let's hope it blows over.

      • Robert, I do agree with you that a) the England squad should be picked on footballing merit; b) the England captain should be selected on leadership merit on the football field, although his public conduct off the field should also be such that he brings honour and respect to the team; and c) that what anyone does in his / her private life should generally be allowed to be kept private. As I understand these allegations, the reason Vanessa Perroncel is now WB's ex-girlfriend, effective December, is because of the JT affair. In that case, just as we hear JT and WB were great mates, so too are both of them great mates with other members of the teams they have played with for England and Chelsea. This is where there may be a problem. JT has violated the very special bond that develops within teams that metaphorically fight and live and die together. The Band of Brothers camraderie is visceral. If mutual friends and team-mates find themselves torn over this issue, then JT's position as captain may become untenable. He shouldn't lose the captaincy because of any moral stance to be taken by anyone, but he should if he has lost the respect and support of players in his squad. For my part, I feel very sorry for JT's wife and kids who are the innocents in all this, and I feel sorry for WB - and, whilst JT and VP are to blame, I also feel sorry for everyone in a messy situation like this. There are no winners. Things like this happen and I don't want to judge anyone. The full story is none of our business. I personally hope JT's team-mates can live with any fallout and move on. If any of them genuinely can't forgive him for what he has done to one of their own, then you have a footballing issue arising out of an off field issue. Andy Cole and Teddy Sheringham were not on speaking terms yet played perfectly well together. So it is possible, but rare. Even this Welshman wants everything to be perfect inside the England camp for the WC. So let's hope it blows over.

    • He should be sacked as captain and withdrawn form the England squad, we have loads of quality center denfenders but only two quality left backs. We also have a number of leaders.

    • If the stories are true as they've been reported in the papers, and that's a big if, then i personally believe he should not be England Captain.
      I know that there are not a huge amount of England players that haven't been accused of cheating on their wife or significant other so its not that. And its not the fact that he cheated with the mum of one of his "friends". Up to a point a players private life should not affect his place in a team.

      Its that as England Captain, he had a duty to his team mates and country. But he choose his teammate girlfriend. And it wasn't just a one off mistake where he was caught up in the heat of passion. He had time to think about the consequences and then went back again and again. Getting his end away with her was more important. More important then what it could do to the team dressing room. More important then the pressure he was going to put on his manager. More important then his team mates respect.

      How can you have the support of the dressing room after that.

      And it shouldn't be about who's more important. If it was Cheryl Cole or Coleen should the consequences be any different. The disprespect hasn't only been to his wife and WB its been to the whole England Team.

      • 1 Reply to thank_you_eric
      • JT should stay captain, he is a great captain & player.

        this scandal has nothing to do with football.

        plenty of players cheat etc.

        rooney is too hot headed to be captain. last thing we need is our captain getting sent off.

        also rooney was involved in the paying for sex with an OAP scandal a while back. so how is that any better or worse than what JT has done.

        gerrard has been caught assulting people.

        druggie rio missed a drugs test.

        half the team have done something wrong away from football.

    • I personally think the Terry scandal has opened the door for a potential Capello masterstroke.

      If all the revelations about dirty ol' JT are true, then it's a given that he should step down as England captain or be stripped of the captaincy. The armband should then go to none other than Wayne Rooney.

      YES ABUs, he is young and a bit volatile, but he is also undoubtedly England's best player and, on current form, the best striker in world football at the moment. He is already shouldering the responsibility of being England's great hope at the World Cup so why not make him captain to further galvanise him.

      South Africa 2010 is Mexico 1986 and Rooney is our Maradona. If the Argie can captain his country to glory at a similar age, then so can Wazza.

      • 1 Reply to Man_United_Raj
      • English cricket shows us that it's always wise to make your best player your captain. Rooney is indeed a great player and may prove to be United's and England's greatest asset in the next few years. Nevertheless, that's not necessarily a reason to make him captain. Captaining is as much about motivating the others as being the best on the pitch. Fans of Gazza and Hoddle may agree.

        Whether or not JT should be captain I would be hesitant about making Rooney England captain until he has been captain of United for a year or two. And if Ferguson doesn't think he should be captain of United...


        Robert

    • I always thought team mates was meant to mean just that "mates" but it appears that screwing you bessie mates mrs, is a bonding process. Suppose its up to capello to decide who's more important to the team, terry or bridges and if fit, I have to say terry.
      Its not as if the rest of the team can throw stones in glass houses none of them are squeaky clean.
      Anyone got any car keys?

    • That Vanessa is pretty hot though.

    • As has alreday been mentioned in a previous post its how this incident has affected the dynamics within the dressing room. I don`t think anyone would disagree that from a football perspective its better to keep a regular member of the team than a squad player. But if press reports are correct Terry - in the parlance of football - has lost the dressing room. How can he continue to be captain if a substantial number of the squad no longer respect him? As for all this rubbish about Rooney`s temperment that was in the past - the fact that he has only picked up 5 yellow this season speaks volumes for the progress he has made on that front. Indeed even die hard arsenal fans such as Piers Morgan acknowledge how much progress he has made and believe that he should be England`s next captain.

    • "Two men say they're Jesus - one of them must be wrong."

      If you Google "Sven Terry Dressing-room" the first reference is to a story that looks like what I'm referring to. However, it seems the original article has gone missing.


      Robert

    • Why so grumpy Chris, after that result yesterday?


      Robert

    • Terry would have been the right captian..without this issue..But he's lost all cred now after this.
      I dont give a f**K about morals...They can all line up for a good g*obble for all i care.
      But the players cant take him serious..now...
      Can you imagine terry giving an order..the players would be down on him for a g*obble.
      You dont like Rooney,Gerrard..Then the only one left ids KLlampard..(ugh)..
      Anyone for sex..i dont charge too much.....!heee

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