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  • Clive Clive May 10, 2010 01:42 Flag

    What do we have to do?

    So after a season where we only won the carling cup, lost 7 games and put in a lot of very dismal performances, where Berbatov has again been poor and many of those younger players people thought would come though, have also been dissapointing and have not progressed as was hoped - what should Utd do to get back to the top?

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    • Lynden, problem with those points is that managers normally do stand up and say everything is good, has not the Liverpool management said the same over the last few seasons?
      It's only when they retire and bring out a book that we really learn what they were thinking; put it this way, if Fergie stood up and said ' it is not good at all, we can't compete in the tranfer market, the younger players are not coming through as I hoped they would and we might have to sell some big players to pay off the interest from the debt', would that inspire confidence in the market towards Utd, or in the people working at and playing for Utd? No, so he has to come out with a positive message, whether he is positive or not.
      I would love to ask him, 'in what way are we on the credit side?
      Also if you going to listen to him, as he knows what he is taking about, why do you think he said 'I think we are on the credit side'? Why did he not say 'I know we are on the credit side'?

      What successes do you think we had this season?

    • on youth development after the giggs becham generation we have produced little from our youth set up, basically because when that crop came though there was an opportunity to give them regular football also the league was inferior to what it is now since then it has been much harder for the youth to get an opportunity to play more than 1 game at a time ...and those who di break into the team post beckham, giggs etc have done so when injuries have decimated our squad .....we nee an answer to the reserve/first team gap so many youngsters are wasted because of it here and at other clubs

    • Evra is fantastic, but is reaching an age where he'll be at his best with rests every now and then. Fabio is too much of a talent and we will most probably need him next season. Brown has hardly been able to stay fit for the past 2 seasons, so we can't rely on him. Rafael, bar a few moments of immaturity (he's only 19 after all) has been far and away our best right back. He's a real talent, and the English game suits him. He's one of the best young full backs in the world.

      Wrt Anderson, we can't afford to let a 20 million signing go off and perform potentially brilliantly for another club. He needs to be put under pressure, and played from the start. He has a massive upside.

      It may be worth sending Obertan out on loan until January, but he showed in the his few appearances that he has a football brain. I think there is talent there, but I'm not sure that he truly believes in himself. He seems to lack the self confidence of our Latin players.

      Fact is, we have to give these players a chance, and the time really is now. Where we need to buy is in areas where these young players won't suffice, or if we get rid of certain players.

    • ftr this is what the manger of united said

      "How you view the season depends on whether you focus on the low moments or look at the positives. It is the old conundrum as to whether you see the glass as half empty or half full.

      "My job as manager is to assess and analyse in the cold light of day and get things into perspective. Did I always make the right team selections? Do we have a strong enough squad? We have to measure the successes against the disappointments and, taking everything into account, I think we are on the credit side."

      that is the point of view i will listen to, as it hink he is the man who knows best, certainly more than the doomers and gloomers on here, whose opinion mean nowt, the opinion and subsequent actions of the man that matters most is who i will listen to.
      get your xbox back out boys.

    • i have read almost everyones posts on here and to be honest, you all have points that are relevant, and some of it is complete b*llocks, every united fan has a view, every united fan has their own opinion, be it wrong or right, the cold light of day is we were not quite good enough, 2nd place was good considering what went on but anyone who says it doesnt hurt is lying, i dont want to see us second, and if we dont put it right, we could fall further behind, but i dont think we need a major overhaul either, but 1 point i would like to remark on, in one post 1 united fan said we got a lot of dodgy decisions, does that same fan look at the stats or what, we had the least amount of pens awarded of the top 6 and had the most players sent off, lampard this season alone has taken 10 pens, more than we had altogether and thats not forgetting that drogba ballack and and i think kalou have also taken pens, that is a hell of a lot for 1 season, and taking nothing away from chelsea as they deserved to be title winners, but they got the rub against us 3 times this season with decisions in the cs, at the bridge and more so at ot with the yard offside rule being ignored, we could have easily got 2 draws on another day, add to that the bolton game when 2 clear handballs were not given, and you see yes we got decisions, but ffs so did the team who won it by a mere point.
      so for one of our own fans to suggest we get dodgy decisions to help us get 2nd, is b*llocks, because dodgy decisions against us also contributed to us finishing 2nd.
      we need to improve, we have to get our ruthless ness back, but for crying out loud, its not the end of the world, life goes on, united go on, and any decent fan will support them ever more, no matter where we finish, have we got so used to being winners that when we dont win its the end of the world, all runs come to an end, but instead of being glory hunters, be grateful that you have been part of the success, and cheer them on to more, and if it dont happen, support another club if your not happy, me, i will support them if we get relegated next season, because no one has a divine right to think we can be winners all the time, yes i want us to be the best, but i have supported this great club long enough to know it wont always be that way.
      now, the season is over, stop snivelling and trying to put right what went wrong, that is fergies job, put your trust in him, or apply for his job, we lost, deal with it, look forward,
      most of all, some of you get a fking life.

      united, win lose or draw, i WILL support you ever more

    • i have read almost everyones posts on here and to be honest, you all have points that are relevant, and some of it is complete b*llocks, every united fan has a view, every united fan has their own opinion, be it wrong or right, the cold light of day is we were not quite good enough, 2nd place was good considering what went on but anyone who says it doesnt hurt is lying, i dont want to see us second, and if we dont put it right, we could fall further behind, but i dont think we need a major overhaul either, but 1 point i would like to remark on, in one post 1 united fan said we got a lot of dodgy decisions, does that same fan look at the stats or what, we had the least amount of pens awarded of the top 6 and had the most players sent off, lampard this season alone has taken 10 pens, more than we had altogether and thats not forgetting that drogba ballack and and i think kalou have also taken pens, that is a hell of a lot for 1 season, and taking nothing away from chelsea as they deserved to be title winners, but they got the rub against us 3 times this season with decisions in the cs, at the bridge and more so at ot with the yard offside rule being ignored, we could have easily got 2 draws on another day, add to that the bolton game when 2 clear handballs were not given, and you see yes we got decisions, but ffs so did the team who won it by a mere point.
      so for one of our own fans to suggest we get dodgy decisions to help us get 2nd, is b*llocks, because dodgy decisions against us also contributed to us finishing 2nd.
      we need to improve, we have to get our ruthless ness back, but for crying out loud, its not the end of the world, life goes on, united go on, and any decent fan will support them ever more, no matter where we finish, have we got so used to being winners that when we dont win its the end of the world, all runs come to an end, but instead of being glory hunters, be grateful that you have been part of the success, and cheer them on to more, and if it dont happen, support another club if your not happy, me, i will support them if we get relegated next season, because no one has a divine right to think we can be winners all the time, yes i want us to be the best, but i have supported this great club long enough to know it wont always be that way.
      now, the season is over, stop snivelling and trying to put right what went wrong, that is fergies job, put your trust in him, or apply for his job, we lost, deal with it, look forward,
      most of all, some of you get a fking life.

      united, win lose or draw, i WILL support you ever more

    • Well said jim. I would also add that there is as much risk attached to bringing in a big name as there is developing a youngster. A player can have bags of ability but it oten comes down to whether he has the mental strength to adapt to the demands of playing for a big club - and if they are from abroad can they also adapt to the premiership. Don`t forget both utd and chelsea paid out big money for Veron - who at the time was one of the best midfielders in the world - but he just couldn`t adapt to the premiership. Everything in football is a gamble and there just happen to be some of us who would rather some of those gambles were taken with young players already at the club.

    • I do see you points, however, regarding the brothers, the left back is taken by Evra and he did not miss games this season, at right back, if Brown is staying and he keep fit, he will have a lot of games at right back, as will Neville, also both of them need more experience at a higher level that the reseveres league and if loaned out with the option to get them back if needed it would be the best chance of them playing more tough games.
      Anderson may have showed a little bit, but he is off and on, and more tough games should help him and his confidence.

      Obertan may be worth a good run in the future in the first team, but with Giggs, Nani and Valencia available he will still be the forth option next season at Utd, but maybe he could get more games in the first team on loan with a lower club, that would help him get used to the pace in the prem and it would also help him to build his confidence and strengh.

      For all of them it would also give them a chance to impress Fergie, to show him they are improving and could make it in the first team, without risky making mistakes in the first team and maybe giving Fergie the idea that they won't make it, because they are being put under that pressure too soon.

    • Clive, I 'get' all your points I just don't agree with most of them.
      Stefan, I am not 'against' foreign players , but I am not inclined to think they are automatically better than British ones, especially in a fast, physical league like the EPL.
      Its not clever to say ' you do write some absolute rubbish'. In your view its wrong and you have a different opinion, fine I accept that, but just because I or anyone else does not agree with you does not make our opinion less valid. Its opinions, not facts.
      In my opinion Fergie could easily have bought one player for £20m plus, but chose to buy 3 younger ones. I think that is because ; he would actually rather have the younger ones, or because the older more expensive ones were not worth it, or they wouldn't come to rainy Manchester. In my opinion that is not because of money , but because of several other factors. However I do concede that money does come into the equation when he has mentioned the ridiculous after-tax salaries quoted by agents which add £40m plus to the overall cost of a player. He is perfectly correct to weigh this burden over several years as more onerous than the one-off transfer fee.
      Personally Idon't want United to compete with City, Madrid or Chelsea in the transfer market. Spain has real problems and Madrid may implode. Sugar-daddies come and go. My club has a history I am proud of, its foundations are in a society I grew up in and my roots will always be there. It has grown to be richer than most, due to its own success, its name is synonomous with good football throughout the world. It has a great manager who is very human with visible faults, but is the best around. It has an outstanding group of players, bred and taught to play the 'United' way. They have given me 50 plus years of enjoyment, and the last 20 have surpassed all my expectations. I see no reason for it to suddenly end , but I am also realistic and mature enough to realise nothing lasts for ever. I openly criticise tactics, and look enviously at some ( but only a few) players at other clubs. One of United's greatest attributes under Fergie is continuity, a value envied by Van Gaal recently. So, steady as she goes, a tweaking with the addition of 2 more players and off we go. And whether we win or lose they remain 'my team' and I am very proud to say that.

    • That was exactly my point Clive, I don't quite understand how it's been missed. Jim seems to still believe that there's a conspiracy against British players. I don't subscribe to this view. At the same time, he underrates foreigners.

      There's always talent available. Valencia is a very good example - although I'd only take Silva and Banega. I'm not criticising the club for trying to nurture young talent, I'm criticising individuals on here citing names of random players nowhere near good enough for the Carling Cup team, let alone the league or CL, and talking as if they will make it into the 1st team. Those same people then see fit to criticise others for suggesting players who are good enough for the team.

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