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We just can't seem to hold on to our most gifted young players these days. First, we've seem Morrison leave(although i'm not too upset about Morrison's departure as he attracts trouble and comes across as a major dick), and now, Pogba has jumped ship too. Our young players are seeking pastures new either for more first-team opportunities or higher salaries.
The first reason is that the money isn't there. The club's earnings have been used largely to finance the debts of the Glazers, instead of to plough into the transfer market for new blood to bolster the squad or upgrade club facilities.
Secondly, the club has also lost it's freshness. Everything about the club, from the marketing and perational strategies to the ideals, style of play and even facilities, are fast becoming obsolete. Our football is getting increasingly dull and ineffective. And we keep hanging on to and bestowng too much respect towards the older players and treating the younger ones as if they were nothing, causing them to feel unappreciated and unloved at the club. Frankly speaking at the rate we're going i'm gonna suspend my support for United until i see genuine, widespread reforms at the club, starting from the very top.
Don't get me wrong, i still want United to rise and rule the world again as much as ever. I'm just utterly pissed at the lack of progression and evolution at the club over the past few years, especially over the past year, and the poor quality of the football(both in terms of entertainment and ability to garner results) that has been served up in recent seasons(especially last season), and i can't stand them Glazers, the present directors, and in particular, Fergie, that's all.
And don't go labelling me a glory hunter because if i were one, i would be supporting City or Real by now, and i'm not, and i won't either. In fact, City's title triumph is the hardest and bitterest pill for me to swallow so far.
There's also the question of unrealistic expectations. We all know of United's "golden generation" but it's not clear that this is something that should be expected to get repeated.
If you have in this league two or three clubs who expect, and have the financial ability, to be amongst the top clubs in the world, then you expect them to have a lot of the best players in the world. It's surely unreasonable to expect any scouting system to be identifying and securing a high proportion of these players when they are fifteen or sixteen years old, partly because there are many competing scouting systems, and partly because the best fifteen and sixteen year olds don't necessarily become the best 25 year olds.
And then, if you are a top club with top youngsters, you have the problem of developing them in the heat of battle. No player will become world class playing in the reserves but you can't afford to play all your youngsters in the first team very often because you need your top players to get the results. So you send them out on loan for a season or two and hope that develops them. Sometimes it works.
The reality is that almost all top players at the top clubs are going to be bought rather than developed as youngsters. And really, this is as it should be. Although the football authorities have legislated otherwise it is surely better for the top clubs to buy blooded stars from other clubs, who have the space to develop them in their first teams, than for the top clubs to try to hoover up all the bright teenagers, put them in massive academies, and have most of them never get into the first team but end up being transferred out in their early twenties for behavioural or ability reasons.
When Giggs and Scholes finally retire, for the last time, this may become a more mainstream view.
I've heard of players having scuffles with teammates during parties, or being accused of rape and other stuff. But i'm not sure who wise a move banning such parties are, as people might see the club as overly strict and uptight.
This from Brian...totally agree.
I am afraid that the present United squad is littered with too many players who can't tackle, win the ball in the air, have the basic ability to pass the ball to a team-mate and who also are never in the right place at the right time. That said, the same criticism could be made against the so called younger players who are supposed to be coming through. A wholesale clearout is needed and has been needed for some years. But that won't happen because the culture of the present management ie.SAF and the Glazers combined is to shop for players in the bargain basement rather than go shopping in the High Street. Their hope has been to buy cheap and then develop their talents. Unfortunately, they have lost the ability to spot players who have the basic footballing skills that can be developed to Premiership and European standards. Mr Bebe springs to mind. A snip at £7.4 million and a player who SAF never saw playing the game and that is probably due to the fact that he could not play. What level of management is this? Ronaldo apart, I can't recall any young player signed in the last six years who has been developed to the required standards. Pogba was heralded as the next midfield sensation but it now seems that he can't wait to get out. Perhaps the playing standards of the present squad do not inspire him with confidence. That said, I do not recall Pogba breaking any pots in the very few games he has played in. The way that the modern game is moving and to inject more life into the Club, we need a Proprietor or a Consortium with enough cash to buy out the Glazers, the balls to retire SAF or move him upstairs, bring in a new manager instructed to get rid of the dross and provided with enough cash so that we can once again shop in the High Street for our players.The likes of Anderson, Fletcher, Evans, Carrick, Ferdinand, Giggs and even Scholes and there are others who are either no longer good enough or who have never been good enough to compete at the high
From BRIAN, on Tue 15 May 11:25
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And i forget to add. I don;t want Fergie to be moved upstairs. It could only prove detrimenetal as he's ultra-conservative and very controlling, and he wields a lot of influence over the club(For example, even the Glazers and the board had a hard time trying to persuade him to end his boycott on the BBC; it took YEARS for them to do so). Let's just dump him for good(with strong, ultra-loaded owners/shareholders/presidents and directors of course).
And do you know what lengths City have gone to to woo fans? They've been aggressive targeting the youth as will as the LGBT community(including those that support us) by promoting themselves as a hip, gay-friendly club. Given the culture of our top management, i can see us losing a lot of our supporters under the age of 35, especially those from the under-25 group.
I second on that. What this Brian person said is incredibily true. We're littered with players with so much dross because of the present administration's culture of acquiring bargain buys. And this is coupled with the drop in standard of our football. Pogba probably can't wait to leave because the standard of the current squad and football doesn't make him feel confident. With the way the modern game is moving and increasing competition and to inject new zest into the club we need powerful, dynamic, competetnt, and responsible owners, sharholders or presidents and directors with loads and loads of cash to burn, who care about the best interests of the club and has the balls to tell AF to pack it, and bring in a young manager who's a tactical magician with a modern, exciting and dynamic, and progressive mentality and approach to the game and management, a keen eye for talent as well as good character and a fun, affable personality, and instruct him to get rid of all the dross and persuade ageing legends like Giggsy and Scholesy to hang up their boots, and, to quote Brian, shop at the High Street for our players. With the present regime in place, we'll never be competitive again it's only a matter of time before the fans stop attending games and purchasing the club merchandise, or even defect to other clubs, no tjust because the trophies have dried up but, more so, the club will appear antiquated and irrelevant and no one wants to pay exhorbitant prices only to see crap football. Modern footie fans as a whole(regardless of which team/player they support) are very fickle(ie, gloryhunting/fairweather supporters), money-driven and are extremely hard to please, hence we have to constantly evolve and upgrade ourselves to meet the demands of such fans in the face of ever-growing competition.
The reason is utd aren`t prepared to pay them the silly money they and their agents think they are worth. Most clubs - mainly those without sugar daddies - have a strict wage structure when it comes to younger players based not only on age but their contribution, if any to the 1st team. To break that structure for a player who tjough talented in unproven risks financial chaos and/or unfairness with regard to other youngsters. Once you start paying one youngster more than the others they will demand the same and senior players would be likely to demand that the gap between their earnings and the youngsters is maintained. That threatens utd`s policy of never paying out more than 50% of their income in wages. Clubs like city who have a rich sugar daddy may feel that they can pay out wages which exceed their income but most clubs recognises that to avoid any possible financial problems in the future a wage cap needs to be established.
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One thought I just had about this (after reading about Pogba on the official site), was perhaps we will struggle to keep some of our bright young stars..mainly because Fergie will retire soon. The press has got it in people's heads that MUFC will go down hill once Fergie retires. And some Utd fans believe that too.
Pogba is 'quoted' as saying he would have already left if it weren't for Fergie. So maybe he sees a bleaker Future at United once Fergie has gone. Perhaps Pogba would stay if he knew Fergie were younger and/or will stick around for at least another 5 years.
Fair pont Dev, but unfortunately tat United, he wage gap between that of the senoir players and the youngsters may be too wide, and the youngsters are often not given enough first team opportunities to prove their worth, hence they decide to look elsewhere to get first-team experience and stake their claim for regular starting spots.