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  • Clive Clive Feb 4, 2013 21:46 Flag

    Be hopeful and real

    Already we have talk about the prem being almost won, last season with just six games left we were 1 point less ahead than we are now with 13 games to go, and we lost that lead in just 6 games, so its nice to have a lead at this stage and hopefully it will get bigger, but theres plenty of mins left of football, teams fighting to stay in the prem or to qualify for europe, so lots of fun and excitement still to go.

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    • Slayer,following your own logic would Arsenal have been in the relegation places last season without the goals scored by RVP.

    • That's the best you've got? The same as Slayer?

      You both have trouble with the idea that, if we hadn't signed Van Persie, the players in the team would have still played the way they have since he arrived. Rooney's been playing further back with RVP, so without him, why would we think he wouldn't play more advanced, and score more goals?

      Also, he's not the only goalscorer. As I mentioned, we have more scorers than any other team, which means that, while Van Persie is having a fantastic season with us, and even saying he's become a better playing since signing for us, we're still less reliant on him than any other premiership team is on their respective top goal scorer. Certainly less dependent than Arsenal were on him last season, where they looked incapable of winning most matches when he was not on the pitch.

      So, yeah, Robin reliant? I don't see it. And you haven't proved it.

      Again.

    • FOUND IT!!!

      Yes Wisey, i thought seeing as you were clearly on the verge of a nervous breakdown at the thought of Fab not paying you enough attention, i thought i would do the decent thing (seeing as i have five mins) and search out the post in question.

      So, it seems that the bald headed granny shagger that you worship so has indeed finally begun scoring goals again. taken some time huh!!!!! Guess that gives you cause to believe that 'splash the cash and buy the title United' are not so reliant on the bit of polished Arsenal they managed to acquire.

      It's taken Rooney the best part of the season to actually begin earning his vast wage.

      I wonder where United would have been if they had relied on baldy (no offence meant) to win games?

      Nah.....United aren't 'Robin reliant' at all!!!!

      PMSL

    • Can you explain why those stats would be the same if RVP wasn't playing?

      All of those players would have played more games, in more advanced positions.

      Maybe none of them would have reached 18 goals, but it's a VERY safe bet that all of them would be higher than they are.

      Want to try some more facts?

    • This is a very stupid post, written by someone who knows nothing about football.
      We were without RVP last season and were joint top, Arsenal had RVP and were not in the top two.
      Rooney has played a different role since RVP came in, so has scored less goals, chico has not been used as much.
      If we hadnt signed RVP we would have got in someone else, who may have scored more goals.

      Think before you write anything else.

    • Guess work can never be used as fact,without RVP the others would have played a lot more games and quite likely scored a lot more goals.
      Would this qualify as "fact"
      These things just do not fit in with your anti Utd rant and hatered so you come out with stupid statements that are merely used to support your theory.

    • " someone would have scored some / most / all of those goals in some / most / all of those games."

      RVP ................18



      Rooney .......... 10
      Hernandez ........8
      Welbeck ...........1
      TOTAL ...........19


      The brutal truth is none of them is good ENOUGH to cover his goals,, FACT!

      Take off the blinders unWise Son.

    • "For without RVP, Man U would have won just EIGHT Premier League games this term and earned LESS THAN half of their 62-point tally."

      ...Only if we only played with 10 men, and no other player scored a single one of the goals he's scored.

      "Without the ex-Arsenal ace scoring and helping an average looking side, Man U would have won just eight games, drawn 11 and lost six — a 23.8 win percentage."

      ...Only if we only played with 10 men, and no other player scored a single one of the goals he's scored.

      "Without him, they would have 30 points and be scrapping it out with West Ham and Stoke for a mid-table spot. And without his injury-time equaliser, they would also have gone out of the FA Cup at the hands of the Hammers.' "

      ...Only if we only played with 10 men, and no other player scored a single one of the goals he's scored.

      Don't get e wrong, VP's been fantastic for us this season, and without him we may well have scored less. But someone else would have played in his position, and someone would have scored some / most / all of those goals in some / most / all of those games.

      Try harder.

    • "WITHOUT RVP's goals this season, Man U would have been in and around MIDTABLE. It's a FACT!!!"

      Lets take a closer look at the stats shall we?

      'For without RVP, Man U would have won just EIGHT Premier League games this term and earned LESS THAN half of their 62-point tally.

      Van Persie has scored 18 League goals for the table-toppers and chipped in with seven assists.

      With his amazing contribution, Man U have won 20, drawn two and lost three for a staggering win percentage of 81.

      But take Van Persie’s goals and assists out of those games and the picture changes massively for Man U.

      Without the ex-Arsenal ace scoring and helping an average looking side, Man U would have won just eight games, drawn 11 and lost six — a 23.8 win percentage.

      Or put more bluntly, with RVP United are nine points clear of deadly rivals Manchester City at the top of the Premier League.

      Without him, they would have 30 points and be scrapping it out with West Ham and Stoke for a mid-table spot. And without his injury-time equaliser, they would also have gone out of the FA Cup at the hands of the Hammers.'

    • "WITHOUT RVP's goals this season, Man U would have been in and around MIDTABLE. It's a FACT!!!"

      Well, it's not a fact. So... well, I guess there's the end of that.

      "RVP is the one player who made all the difference in an average looking Man U side this season."

      He's a fantastic player. But you don't get a 10-point lead with one player. Hell, look at the impressive lead his team (didn't) build up last season, when he was being relied on a lot more, and was scoring at, if anything, an ever greater rate.

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