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  • FABONGRASS FABONGRASS Feb 26, 2013 08:44 Flag

    Are the thought Police out to get us?

    An excerpt from The Telegraph for your perusal...

    'Rod Liddle bravely tells the truth about knife crime'

    ' Respect murders in London are as much a black thing as honour killings are Muslim; there are exceptions, of course, just as there are honour killings in Catholic countries every 50 years or so, but the trend is well known, though unsayable, and unprintable.

    Over the weekend only one man had the guts to raise this, and it's largely because Rod Liddle has an impeccable Leftish background as a former Today programme editor that he is allowed to get away with it (and he's also very funny, which helps). Liddle wrote in the Sunday Times yesterday:

    If you were a cynic you might argue that if a black kid had been stabbed to death by three white men in an otherwise motiveless attack then the community centre would already have been built by now and the grieving parents recognised in the honours lists.

    It is good that we are quick to become enraged by violent white racism, that it appals us and makes us examine our society, claw away in an attempt to discover those subterranean causes. But what of this, apparently, non-racist murder? Just as much brutal honesty is required to confront it, I think. Maybe more.

    The truth is, violent white-on-black crime is a rarity in Britain, by comparison – although white-on-Asian crime is rather less so. The overwhelming bulk of violent street crime in London is committed by young black men, and in numerous cases against white people, although one would not impute a racial motive; the statistics suggest that young black male criminals are quite happy to stab or shoot anybody who hoves into view with either a bulging wallet, a mobile phone or an assumed reflection of disrespec’ in their eyes.

    Apologies if this offends – but that’s how it is. At most, the African Caribbean population of London is about 12% of the whole. But BLACK MALES ARE RESPONSIBLE for nearly 60% OF ARRESTS FOR ROBBERY – and the OVERWHELMING MAJORITY of gun crime, most of it black-on-black violence.


    The propensity of some young black males to underachieve at school and later commit crimes of violence has been seen for too long as a roguish expression of cultural diversity, exacerbated by our own inherent racism and economic oppression; in other words, it’s not their fault. Indeed the culture of violence, misogyny and epic drug abuse, exemplified in rap music, has been lapped up by a bovine liberal white culture that finds the vibrancy and “edginess” of gangsta rap something in which we should all exult and indeed emulate.

    At the same time, we are reluctant to draw attention to the fatherless families in our black communities, the absence of male role models and teachers, even though we know that this is not a good thing, as we increasingly realise it is not a good thing for white boys either.

    What Liddle says is the truth, and yet any attempt to raise it is met with "What's skin colour got to do with it?" One IDIOTIC commenter says exactly that underneath: "I'm confused. What exactly does the colour of people's skin have to do with crime, except providing a convenient way to group them that has nothing to do with the reasons that they are committing the crime in question?"Â

    Clearly it does have a lot to with it, just as drunken violence has something to do with whiteness, since people of the SAME ethnic group tend to be more susceptible to cultural influences, especially if they share a national origin, as most black British people do.Â

    Then they accuse you or trying to smear all black people, or to idealise all white people (I certainly don't do the latter). Eventually any dissenter concludes it's best just to ignore the problem.'

    Rather interesting, no?

    Much (universal) love!

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    • A Telegraph blog article? That's the best you've got?

      Ha!

      A Telegraph blog article praising, of all people, Rod Liddle?

      HA!

      OK, having used your copied text to find the article in google, let's look at this, as at least we have something to sink our teeth into...

      "And respect murders in London are as much a black thing as honour killings are Muslim"

      While I would agree that they are associated with the British Black community, he argues it's as exclusive as the link between Honour Killings and Islam without a jot of evidence. That's a pattern that returns throughout the article.

      " it's largely because Rod Liddle has an impeccable Leftish background as a former Today programme editor that he is allowed to get away with it (and he's also very funny, which helps)."

      So what is the expectation for the likes of Richard Littlejohn and the other talking heads in the Right-Wing rags? They seem to get away with it without any "Leftish backgrounds". He is trying to falsely set up people who share his views as martyrs and victims

      "If you were a cynic you might argue that if a black kid had been stabbed to death by three white men in an otherwise motiveless attack then the community centre would already have been built by now and the grieving parents recognised in the honours lists."

      No, you'd have to be a fantasist. To my knowledge there has only been one community centre named after a black victim of racial violence, and that was years after the crime, and after his parents had had to campaign for years against a police cover-up of how shoddily they investigated the murder.

      "The truth is, violent white-on-black crime is a rarity in Britain, by comparison – although white-on-Asian crime is rather less so. "

      Again, offered without any evidence.

      " the statistics suggest that young black male criminals are quite happy to stab or shoot anybody who hoves into view with either a bulging wallet, a mobile phone or an assumed reflection of disrespec’ in their eyes."

      The statistics? It is telling that he doesn't tell us what statistics. What rubbish.

      "But black males are responsible for nearly 60% of arrests for robbery – and the overwhelming majority of gun crime, most of it black-on-black violence."

      Again, I see no mention of the source of the evidence.

      "The propensity of some young black males to underachieve at school and later commit crimes of violence has been seen for too long as a roguish expression of cultural diversity"

      Who has ever seen it as that? This sounds like complete toss.

      "Indeed the culture of violence, misogyny and epic drug abuse, exemplified in rap music, has been lapped up by a bovine liberal white culture that finds the vibrancy and “edginess” of gangsta rap something in which we should all exult and indeed emulate."

      Hmm, I could make some interesting points about the link between gangsta rap and liberal white culture, but I'm sure the middle aged guy who writes for the Times and used to work for Radio 4 knows what he's talking about.

      "At the same time, we are reluctant to draw attention to the fatherless families in our black communities, the absence of male role models and teachers, even though we know that this is not a good thing, as we increasingly realise it is not a good thing for white boys either."

      I love how he points out that this is a problem in White communities, but somehow implies that there's something worse about it in black communities.

      "What Liddle says is the truth, and yet any attempt to raise it is met with "What's skin colour got to do with it?""

      At least he has evidence for this point. Yes, one commentator on Liddle's article said it. So clearly he has identified an all-pervading stigma that is stopping this problem from being discussed.

      "Clearly it does have a lot to with it, just as drunken violence has something to do with whiteness"

      That strikes me as a racist anti-white belief, and I'm surprised you're not offended by it, Fab. Only white people commit acts of drunken violence? No evidence is offered for this.

      "Then they accuse you or trying to smear all black people, or to idealise all white people (I certainly don't do the latter)."

      No, he appears to smear white people too, in order to cover up for his smearing of black people.

      "Eventually any dissenter concludes it's best just to ignore the problem."

      Maybe "dissenters" like Ed West and Liddle need to realise that they're not bringing anything useful to the duscussion. If they were better informed, and actually had something to contribute, people wouldn't dismiss them so readily.

      "This is a shame, because black political leaders are also unwilling to admit the problem, and therefore to do something about it."

      This is an outright lie, though probably motivated more by ignorance than malice. Just because this writer apparently probably couldn't name any black political leaders, much less identify what they are concerned with, he assumes it doesn't happen. If he was at all interested in engaging with black communities, he would see the strong disapproval of and discussion about these issues. But he isn't interested in that, just as you appear not to be.

      This is kind of interesting, if only as an example of how some people's priveleged outlooks make them feel qualified to hold forth on subjects they evidently know little about.

      Thanks for bringing it up, though.