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  • mouse mouse Jun 25, 2008 00:51 Flag

    david platt

    can i just point out to this ex player that he should remember what OUR club did for him , and keep his f$%king nose out of gareth barry`s future,,

    like we give a shit what he thinks..

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    • Mike

      Common sense should tell them to keep it shut but footballers get rich quick and retire, and end up thinking the money they have makes them peers of the game and thus, everyone wants to hear their opinions.

      Footballers never were a bright bunch in general.............And Mr Platt doesn't look any different.

      Never did like his Tin Tin hair style!!

    • Part of me actually agree's with you. As a Liverpool fan, its a double edged sword. On the one hand we are a big enough club to be able to maintain our top 4 position, but don't have the financial ability to match Chelsea or Man U. I'd like to think that smart buying will get us there, but the fact is they will always have the advantage over us.

      But the system once you get a couple years of success sort of feeds on itself. CL football brings money, and international fans, which while its no guarantee, helps you in maintaining that position.

      Ideally a cap on salaries, transfer fee's, or even numbers in the squad could help level the plainfield, but if only done in England, would see other leagues quickly drain away the better players. I also think that success should be rewarded, so maybe its a question of how much reward, to ensure that the us vs the rest does not dominate.

      On the other hand however I think last season proved there are a number of clubs who are close to breaking into the top 4. Most at the beginning thought Spurs would be the one unseating Arsenal. But in the end it looked like Liverpool were most likely to drop out, and while it was Everton doing the threatening, there is a clutch of clubs including Villa, Pompy, and now Man C who are not that far away.

    • Dave.....your reply is as usual constructive and well thought out, and I along with I expect others on here appreciate a decent debate rather than ....well ...the sort of posts that appear on other boards shall we say, and Im sure you know what I mean there.

      Like you say, it is a matter of opinion who is the bigger club, but the bottom line is, does it really matter.? What matters , certainly to me, is a level playing field across the entire league. I do not have the pleasure of being a follower of a successful club like yourself or indeed these lads on this board here, although I grew up watching them with my Dad who was an ardent Villa fan, and also frequenting the ground across the city as my avator will show. That is where my alleigence lies, but I would still rather see sucess come to the Midlands than to the North West, Manchester or London. My view is that the premier league really needs regulating...to try to stop exactly what is happening...all the best players ending up at three or four clubs and the others just making up the numbers. Of course you are biased, that is what a supporter is about, but do you think that the curent league is better than in the old First Division day's when , OK Liverpool dominated, but it was alot more open ?

      We are in great danger of becoming a Scottish Premier league in that respect with two clubs dominating the entire league, year in year out and , certainly for me the interest will die. For that reason, I would only allow each club to have a pool of say 24 players, and cap the amount available to spend each season to the same for each club..

      perhaps too idealist, but the league needs to be evened out.

    • Mike, I think what your talking about comes down to one word. Loyalty. That is, knowing how you got to where you are, and knowing who helped you along the way.

      Unfortunatly there is very little of that left in football (in life as well unfortunatly). Its turned into a business, which I don't have a problem with, but it has taken away something that was at the center of the idea of a Football Club. The likes of a Scholes, or a Giggs are rare these days. At Liverpool I think we've been lucky, and I'd consider Carra, and Gerrard (although he flirted with Chelsea) loyal, but beyond that most statements of loyalty to the club are just words.

      In Barry's case I don't know how much the Villa fans should expect in terms of Loyalty. Yes you made him the player he is now, but he's not a local lad, or even a product of your academy. He's also got to decide what's most important to him. Playing for a club he can call home, reaching the highest level he can in his proffession, or making more money. At the end of the day, that question can only be answered by Barry himself, and individual Villa fans. Therefore I take myself out of that discussion, its beyond my area of expertise.

    • Mike, I think what your talking about comes down to one word. Loyalty. That is, knowing how you got to where you are, and knowing who helped you along the way.

      Unfortunatly there is very little of that left in football (in life as well unfortunatly). Its turned into a business, which I don't have a problem with, but it has taken away something that was at the center of the idea of a Football Club. The likes of a Scholes, or a Giggs are rare these days. At Liverpool I think we've been lucky, and I'd consider Carra, and Gerrard (although he flirted with Chelsea) loyal, but beyond that most statements of loyalty to the club are just words.

      In Barry's case I don't know how much the Villa fans should expect in terms of Loyalty. Yes you made him the player he is now, but he's not a local lad, or even a product of your academy. He's also got to decide what's most important to him. Playing for a club he can call home, reaching the highest level he can in his proffession, or making more money. At the end of the day, that question can only be answered by Barry himself, and individual Villa fans. Therefore I take myself out of that discussion, its beyond my area of expertise.

    • dave , (others call you that so it must be true)

      i have often stated i enjoy your opinions ,,
      i dont give one about which club is bigger..
      i try to keep a sense of perspective and respect others who do the same..
      i have no problem with those for whom its easier to shout than explain, (most of them have paid their dues at the turnstyle)
      BUT i grew up in a council house my folks and siblings have worked hard to improve themselves, fairly & honestly,,we have gone to great lengths to try to achieve & to a degree despite ourselves as, we generally spurned education until we realised all be it to late,,
      i think murderers should go away for life, i think pensioners should be revered as godlike ( i am because of their sweat) and i think that respecting those that work to help you improve should be away of life for all,, a lot of the lads i stood by on the holte earned their money polishing metal in the jewellery quarter coming out of work to the bus covered in shite and choking on woodbines (yeah im 50 life aint changed that much)
      but there is something that i know,, me, you guys and those guys paid for that bastard to live in a very big house, and in the pubs where i grew up if you slagged a mans efforts (and aston villa is our effort) particularly if you had benefited from them then most in the pub would think him justified in smacking you in the fucking mouth,,
      think on platty before you open your mouth again..

      i was at the ground for your first home appearence in an england shirt,, some one behind on 20 ish minutes called you a midland mongrel which got picked up by those around him the yell went up.. my self and 1/2 dozen villa fans with me took a good kicking on your behalf,, we dont need another one ,, think of what went into buying you that big house..

    • First off on Platt I have to agree. While his comments may or may not be a valid argument, I agree with you and Kip that its inappropriate for an ex player to speak out like he has. If he wants to give Barry quiet council fine, but saying in public, he had to know as an ex Villa player, that it would offend the fans.

      On Liverpool being a bigger club than Villa, couple points to make. First off I'm biased, so I'm always going to think of my club as a bigger club than others. Even when playing the likes of AC Milan or Barca in the champions league, I'll take on the view that no-one is better, and therefore how can they be bigger. But that's fan talk.

      On paper right now however, I do think LFC is bigger than Villa. Two main indicators are where we finished in the league along with points difference to the champions, and the fact that we have been for the last several seasons, and will be next year playing in the Champions league.

      Financially who knows. If you look at money spent on the squad, maybe LFC tips it, but if you look at what funds are available from the owner, right now looks like Villa are in a better position.

      But the main thing I think for Barry to consider, if he takes the Platt argument, is who will be the bigger club next season, and for his foreseeable playing future. On the first, the appeal fo CL football I think is the main driver. That is the stage Barry thinks he's capable of playing on, and therefore wants aspire to. Whether LFC can maintain CL football in the seasons to come is unknown, as is if its possible for Villa to give him CL football in the future.

      Just one more thing as you did take a crack at Liverpools success. Yes Liverpool were an extremely successful team, especially in the 70s and 80s, and their recent achievements have not lived up to those glory days of my youth. However, just getting into the CL for the last several seasons is an accomplishment. Getting to the latter knock out stages, including a quarter final, semi final, and 2 finals since '05, is no small accomplishment. I'd also not sniff my nose at winning the FA cup a couple years ago either. And, while as a die hard Red, I'm desperate to win the title, consistently finishing in the top 4, and in recent years closing the gap between ourselves and the champions, is at least a sign of progress.

      While these accomplishments may not live up to my dreams, or the achievements of the teams I followed as a youth, I think whether its Europe, domestic cups, or even league finishes, they all surpass Villa right now, so not sure how that stacks up in your equation of deciding the bigger club.

    • I agree but they all seem to be like this at the moment

    • Mike....I have seen a few of Platt's interviews over recent times...and it seems to me that he likes the sound of his own voice...and of course spouting a controversial point of view here and there gets him talked about and raises his profile. Having said all that, before these comments I was not a fan of Mr. Platt in his media guise and this has re-afformed that view. So, I would like to blow a big rasberry to him...hmmm...don't know how to spell that...oh well :-)

      UTV

    • Dave.....I read your points earlier but felt it was not right for me to answer first...it is really for these guy's to put their views over.
      However, I would also like to put my oar in here. Firstly, it is right that David Platt keeps his mouth shut, and remember that it was Villa that plucked him from the depths of mediocraty at Crewe. If I remember right he was shown the door at Man U first , but thats as maybe, he was never more than a mediocre player (IMO) who thrived on one goal against Belgium after being thrown on as a last resort. It was therefore Villa that gave him the stage to do anything. Not the issue I know, but as a bit of a neutral here I think I am qualified to put my view about Mr Platt. A steady player but nothing more.

      Secondly...he/you say Barry should move on to a 'bigger' club? I find this a mystery. Yes LFC have been succesful in the Shankly years and since, but of late? Remember that the European Cup was set up to pitch the ONE best team in each country against each other.....not the top team plus the next 3 down who finish well behind the winners. LFC have not finished top since 1990 Dave, and I can point at many of their so called triumphs coming from a penalty shoot out, which to me is not really a way of prooving who are the better team, once again (IMO). How many trophies from the penalty spot?

      So just why do you think LFC are a bigger club than Villa? Financially? Well not at all, in fact I would go as far to say that villa are a richer club than LFC.... and if last season is anything to go on, not on the pitch either. You finished a poor 4th Dave, and it was touch and go whether you got that towards the end. Do you seriously think LFC are a bigger club than Villa ? If so why?

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