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  • A Yahoo! User Jan 21, 2010 06:02 Flag

    another poor performance. writing was on the wall.

    after the poor result at home to hull its no surprise we struggled & lost at liverpool.


    we were very lacklustre. thats why i said before the game i would always take a pt at anfield.

    we are still a few players short of being a top 4 team. we need a new CM desperatly to partner palacious.
    we need better quality full bks.
    corluka was shocking as per usual, finally harry took him off. hutton did more in his first 30secs than corluka all game.

    we have a very good quality team but we still dont have enough heart & fight.

    still 1 in 4 chance of getting 4th spot.
    personally i cant see it happening with this team.

    we need a shake up. sell bentley & pav for starters.

    just hope we take the FA Cup serious & play our strongest team. its all we can win this season.

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    • We seem like an entirely different club with Lennon out of the lineup. A few years back I thought Bale could make something of himself at the club, but he seems to take time off during matches, surely we must sell/replace him, this match is evidence of that. Jenas must go, he was absolutely miserable as he has been for quite some time (would love to work some sort of swap with Inter involving Muntari but don't know how we would work it out). I feel like Lennon is the best winger in England right now and I believe that is shown with our recent run of poor form without him in the squad. Other clubs just cannot handle his pace and his link up ability with Defoe over the course of this campaign has been absolutely brilliant. I feel like watching games with Lennon is featured is a completely different experience than watching a squad like the one we played against Liverpool Wednesday.

    • i think the croats in our team r not hot heads and play with calm and coolness . this means our rb, lm and rm have little bit. they seem very placid and not the big hearted players u want. im not knocking them as i am a massive fan off all of them but it does leave a little prob lem for us .if we buy we might get a reckless european but the answer has to be a british player who wants the team to push on . imho.

      some one like ohara is spot on , he has passion not just for the club but to do well at everything. i miss zokora.

    • Midfield did not have what we use to call BOTTLE, Sfer got it spot on. Carraghers two tackles in the first minute(which he shlould have got a card for) set out liverpools stall not to give us space and to go in where it hurts and our mid field didnt want to know apart from Pal. Ohara might have made a difference but basically liverpool were going to win that game and they did not care how they did it. Do we buy? probably but who would improve our midfield and for how much?

    • we bought some with Palacios but I think we have to buy some more...

    • Take a look at the replay. He slipped as the ball came over. Just one of those things.

    • quote 'we have a very good quality team but we still dont have enough heart & fight' unquote

      said that before, we haven't got the players that like to tough it out, and certainly no clue what to do against teams that chase everything and close us down, stoke, wolves, hull, everton etc, and again last night.

      top four quality? hardly on these showings.

      has mr redknapp got the ability to get that into the players, sadly i think not.

      think ledders needs to hang up his boots sadly, well off the pace, saddens me to see him like this.

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      • Having spent the last 20 mins reading all the posts put on since the pool game I thought this one was the best one to respond to.

        It is no coincidence that the first 5 minutes in any game usually signals what is going to happen in the rest of the game and we did not start as if we wanted to play and that is very difficult to get back from.

        The formation pool played (which I thought looked very defensive in structure) weirdly turned out to be why we struggled and they won. 5 across midfield with Kuyt on his own meant there was no room in midfield. I lost count of the times Modric and Krancar were caught out with the ball and Jenas was anonymous once again.

        The first goal Dawson definately slipped just before he was going to challenge Kuyt and Aquilna did not mean to lay it off to Kuyt and Kuyt just hit it and hoped. he did not even look up so it could have gone anywhere really - just our luck it went in.

        The 5 across the midfield meant that Bale struggled to find any room to push forward and Modric nearly lost himself going around in circles looking for someone to pass the ball to. He kept coming inside from the wing causing even more confusion in the tight midfield.

        Basically, no width!! Up front all I saw was Crouch and Defoe being pulled all over the place hardly ever getting a free kick which they would have in other games. I thought the pool defence got away with a lot more than they should have. That said, PL forwards should be able to cope with that (ie Rooney) and use it to their advantage and Crouch and Defoe didn't.

        Yes we were unlucky with the Penalty and Defoe goal being dissallowed but IMO we should have changed things around when we realised what formation pool were playing and how it meant that we were helping them by crowding the midfield but we didn't and I am dissappointed with Arry (and I am a fan) at him not recognising this.

        Lastly, I have to assume Ledley was injured as I cannot see any other reason why Arry should have put Bassong on. Firstly Bassong didn't even have any bl00dy shorts on (how un professional can you get!!!) and then he came on in completely the wrong frame of mind, did not catch up with the speed of the game and gave away a silly penalty.

        Of course we were going to leave gaps at the back as we pushed forward to get an equaliser so we should expect that they had a couple of chances later on but the problem was all we did was push more defenders into what was an already overcrowded midfield. No one seemed to push forward from midfield into attack meaning they could send defenders forward to help up front. When Keane came on all he did was sit in midfield as well.

        For me the differences between the teams on the night were tactics and heart. They wanted to win more than we did and we played into thier hands with our formation. Rant over.

      • Having spent the last 20 mins reading all the posts put on since the pool game I thought this one was the best one to respond to.

        It is no coincidence that the first 5 minutes in any game usually signals what is going to happen in the rest of the game and we did not start as if we wanted to play and that is very difficult to get back from.

        The formation pool played (which I thought looked very defensive in structure) weirdly turned out to be why we struggled and they won. 5 across midfield with Kuyt on his own meant there was no room in midfield. I lost count of the times Modric and Krancar were caught out with the ball and Jenas was anonymous once again.

        The first goal Dawson definately slipped just before he was going to challenge Kuyt and Aquilna did not mean to lay it off to Kuyt and Kuyt just hit it and hoped. he did not even look up so it could have gone anywhere really - just our luck it went in.

        The 5 across the midfield meant that Bale struggled to find any room to push forward and Modric nearly lost himself going around in circles looking for someone to pass the ball to. He kept coming inside from the wing causing even more confusion in the tight midfield.

        Basically, no width!! Up front all I saw was Crouch and Defoe being pulled all over the place hardly ever getting a free kick which they would have in other games. I thought the pool defence got away with a lot more than they should have. That said, PL forwards should be able to cope with that (ie Rooney) and use it to their advantage and Crouch and Defoe didn't.

        Yes we were unlucky with the Penalty and Defoe goal being dissallowed but IMO we should have changed things around when we realised what formation pool were playing and how it meant that we were helping them by crowding the midfield but we didn't and I am dissappointed with Arry (and I am a fan) at him not recognising this.

        Lastly, I have to assume Ledley was injured as I cannot see any other reason why Arry should have put Bassong on. Firstly Bassong didn't even have any bl00dy shorts on (how un professional can you get!!!) and then he came on in completely the wrong frame of mind, did not catch up with the speed of the game and gave away a silly penalty.

        Of course we were going to leave gaps at the back as we pushed forward to get an equaliser so we should expect that they had a couple of chances later on but the problem was all we did was push more defenders into what was an already overcrowded midfield. No one seemed to push forward from midfield into attack meaning they could send defenders forward to help up front. When Keane came on all he did was sit in midfield as well.

        For me the differences between the teams on the night were tactics and heart. They wanted to win more than we did and we played into thier hands with our formation. Rant over.

    • Kentish - I'd like to see Dawson given the armband permanently and I think he should be first choice CB. No long term injuries to hold him back and, as you say, he seems to notch it up a level when being in charge. It seems to raise his game. Keane and King aren't starting regularly and, for me, it does the team no good to have a different captain week in week out. So Dawson would be my pick.

      And I agree with the comment made that Daws and Bassong should be our starting two. They're young and can forge one hell of a partnership in my book.

    • Why do we always play as though there's no belief that we can win?

      I just don't understand how you can home 'bogey' teams in sport and why playing away is so different from playing at home.

      They say we haven't beaten Liverpool at Anfield for 'n' years - but those were other teams - why can't we get the mentality that that isn't us now?

      I thought the whole team were below par (Bale maybe an exception) - the midfield were woefully lacking. So that lead to (again) an over use of the long ball to Crouch and it just wasn't working. We played best when we played on the deck.

      They just seemed to lack any conviction that they could win - in contrast, Arsenal never seemed to lose that belief that they would win, even when they were 2 down. That is the 'grail' we need to seek - that mentality. Why we have never had that, even with hundreds of players going through the doors and nearly as many managers, is totally beyond me.

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      • As usual, Old Fan has summed it up pretty well. Quite why Spursbabe is so anti Corluka is beyond me. Yes Hutton is better (quicker) going forward he is no defender. What was missing was Lennon and Corluka links with him quite well and is much better defending. The real problem was that the whole team was well below par. Defoe had his worst game of the season, Modric is nowhere near back to his best yet, Jenus - no comment, Keane - he has lost it.

        Give Pav one last try, though I think it is now too late. Either use Pav, Bentley, Dos Santos or flog 'em. One thing is for sure, their value is not going to increase by remaining Tottenham rejects, so either use em and hope their potential is realised or bite the bullet and accept the first half decent offer that comes along.

        Also, there are many fans saying we need another top class CM and I wouldn't disagree but that would take a lot of cash and I'm not sure we have it. It's no coincidence that there have been no big money deals this January - everyone's skint. And are the Gerrards, Fabregas, Lampards or even Darren Fletchers of this world going to come to Spurs while we remain outside the top 4.

        Catch, Chicken, Cart, Egg, 22 and Horse spring to mind!!

        I think part of Harry's problem is that we are almost a good team and very close to securing forth. In some ways it would be easier to be mid table, safe from the drop and out of the reckoning for europe. I'm sure then he would tinker with the team. But he has got where we are by keeping the same team (Ledders being the exception)and we are so close and yet so far. I think we have to accept that we have the odd weak spot, most teams do. The trick is getting everyone playing for each other and I didn't see that last night. Trouble is, Belief and Confidence can't be bought in a bottle, you have to grow it yourself.

    • agree a poor performance against a poor liverpool side and with the players missing this should have been an easy 3 points for spurs but sadly no

      as for 4th spot i doubt i think it belongs to city

    • I think we wasted a substitute tonight why the hell drop Bassong just to accomadate King, we have have been playing extremley well with Dawson and Bassong and i really thought tonight it affected Dawsons natural game. Harry seems to be making silly mistakes and again before the game it was there for the taking, i dont think we will ever have a better time than tonight to beat Liverpool. Even though they had more chances than us if you were a Liverpool fan you could not have been impressed with them and my beloved Spurs never seem to amaze me.
      Modric was poor tonight he was not on his own though there were plenty of others hiding again, when are our forwards going to start putting them away again, personally i would give Pav a run out it might kick messers Defoe,Crouch and Keane a bloody good kick up the arse.

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