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  • what was harry playing up!
    the pressure got to him in the end.

    did he know we needed the win?!

    he settled for a pt.

    yes we had 10men but we were in control & villa were dreadful.

    vdv shatterd again after 70mins yet he keeps him on till the last few mins.

    we desperately need a goal so he leaves defoe on the bench & brings on parker!

    should have been braver harry.

    i like harry & he has done wonders for us.
    but everytime we get close & the pressure is on, he falls apart.

    again ade was isolated upfront & the only way we were going to score was a pen.

    why not go 4-4-2 with defoe & ade upfront for this must win match?

    even at the end he still didnt bring on the most likely player to score.

    i do wonder what hold has vdv got over harry.
    he is always on his knees after 70mins but stays on.

    i wish i could say we went for it but werent good enough. in the end we didnt go for it.

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    • To Dare Is To Do!

      Harry Didn't, so the team Didn't!

      played it too safe at Villa...
      Here's hoping Bayern have a bit more desire and cojones.

      Anyway, a damn good showing from the boys this season... far surpassed my expectations after a lousy transfer window in the summer. Shame Levy and Redknapp didn't go all out to strengthen in January and build on the fabulous momentum we had pre- New Year. Otherwise who knows where we could have finished.

      I'll say it again...
      To Dare Is To Do!

      Sometimes it's good to follow your own motto

    • well we all did try to warn u kentish & john.

      silly mistake settling for a pt that was unlikely to be of any use.

      school boy error from harry.

    • john, u havent really read my post have u.

      "The argument on the pts was that both you and LTS implied or explicitly stated that 1pt was next to useless. I didn't and still don't agree with that for the reasons I have already given"

      john-
      i clearly state its unlikely to be useful. but there is a small chance it will become useful. 1 pt is always better 0 of course.

      im going to be smug like u now john.
      as far as iam aware, under 24% chance means its unlikely to be useful.

      anyway, i have already explained & bored everyone by explaining out of 9 possible results, only 2 of those will make the 1pt useful. with newcastle it gets worse, only 1 result of 9 will make it useful i think. but forget newcastle for now.

      u still have ignored replying to this type of question-

      what a lot of us have been trying to explain is-

      settling for the draw means fate is out of our hands.
      & the pt gained is less than 24% chance of being of any use.

      so we are saying it was worth risking losing the villa game in order to have fate in our own hands. because even if we had lost, theres still over a 76% chance that the 1pt we miss out on wont be of any use.

      i honestly dont know how to explain any better lol.

      its actually highly illogical to suggest the 1pt gained was worth settling for. the most logical thing would have been to risk losing in order to get the 3pts & have fate in our own hands.

      come on john. u know that is more logical & the right thing.

      u are just being stubborn because u hate to admit harry was wrong.

      now this isnt really about opinion anymore.

      its about logic. my way is much more logical than harry & yours.


      but change the subject to something else if u must u old stubborn guy u!

    • "Thanks for your earlier apology SB, but when you said "also its highly unlikely this pt gained will have any bearing on where we finish" surely that's admitting the point gained isn't useful?"

      i dont understand what confuses u about this statement, sorry.
      i stick by it. im saying that its hughly unlikely this pt gained will be of any use. & that is a fact. the chances are the pt wont come in to play.

      i dont see why u think it means the pt gained isnt useful.
      i clearly state its unlikely to be useful. but there is a small chance it will become useful.

      u are missing the point big time kentish. john understands but disagrees. it seems to have gone over your head.

      what a lot of us have been trying to explain is-

      settling for the draw means fate is out of our hands.
      & the pt gained is less than 25% chance of being of any use.

      so we are saying it was worth risking losing the villa game in order to have fate in our own hands. because even if we had lost, theres still over a 75% chance that the 1pt we miss out on wont be of any use.

      i honestly dont know how to explain any better lol.

      its actually highly illogical to suggest the 1pt gained was worth settling for. the most logical thing would have been to risk losing in order to get the 3ts & have fate in your own hands.

      "I really don't know what the 7 out of 9 or 8 out of 9 is about and TBH I have neither the time nor inclination to trawl through all the posts on this thread to find out about it."

      kentish, u dont need to trawl though anything.
      basically it just means there are 9 possible results between the 2 games (us & arenal matches). of those 9 possible results, the 1pt gained will only be of use in 2 of those results.

      maybe get someone else to read it & explain it to u if u still dont understand.

      "I'd far rather the point we got than have come away with nothing"

      kentish, i dont know who that is aimed at?
      no one is saying 1pt isnt better than 0.

      "Not having it would mean we absolutely have to win on Sunday and hope the Goons lose, rather than the additional options we now have. "

      erm theres only 1 more additional option kentish. there is in fact only 2 out of 9 options where this 1pt will be useful.

    • SB,
      As far as I'm aware I have not been arguing that any lesser number of points is better than a higher number. I know that 3pts is better than 1 and 1 is better than 0.
      The argument on the pts was that both you and LTS implied or explicitly stated that 1pt was next to useless. I didn't and still don't agree with that for the reasons I have already given.

      I don't want 0 or 1 pt against Fulham - in fact I would actually like 3pts in all games, but that's a bit unrealistic isn't it?

    • Thanks for your earlier apology SB, but when you said "also its highly unlikely this pt gained will have any bearing on where we finish" surely that's admitting the point gained isn't useful?

      I really don't know what the 7 out of 9 or 8 out of 9 is about and TBH I have neither the time nor inclination to trawl through all the posts on this thread to find out about it.

      As far as I'm concerned, although it frustrated the hell out of me at the game on Sunday watching us unable to break down Villa for that elusive winning goal, I'd far rather the point we got than have come away with nothing. Not having it would mean we absolutely have to win on Sunday and hope the Goons lose, rather than the additional options we now have.

    • "Sorry SB but that's a load of bollox. The only way that point won't count is if we lose and Newcastle win."

      are u sure?!

      with arsenal there are 7 out of 9 where it wont count.
      with newcastle its 8 out of 9.

      isnt it only useful if
      arsenal draw & we win
      arsenal lose & we draw

      or

      if newcastle draw & we lose

      thats 3.

      i could list 15 where it isnt useful.

      im not saying it wont be useful kentish despite the odds.
      im saying with small odds isnt worth not attacking so that u can have fate in your own hands.

    • ssorry kentish. i was right about arsenal but wrong about the newcastle bit. thats because the whole debate is on having fate in your hands. so we need 3rd for that. 4th is a huge gamble what with chelsea in the final.

      "So that 1pt MATTERS VERY MUCH! How many on here would be howling with fury if we missed out on 3rd or 4th by that same 1pt? "

      are u sure kentish?

      the only guranteed cl place is 3rd right?

      lets focus on us & arsenal-

      so isnt there only 2 out of 9 outcomes where that pt will come in to play.

      im not saying that wont happen.

      but surely a 2 in 9 chance of something being useful isnt worth not gambling on a scenerio where its in your hands.?

    • see john,u still cant admit it!

      even if it is easily the most logical answer, u cant go along with it because harry didnt.

      forget newcastle. the pt we gained has no impact on that at all.

      arenal & us- out of 9 set of outcomes, only 2 of those is the pt useful for 3rd spot. u were right, there is a 2nd 1 which would mean the scenerio of goal difference.

      newcastle & us. for 4th spot there is only 1 out of 9 where the pt would come in to play.

      so thats 3 out of 18.

      but forget newcastle. because 4th would still mean its out of our hands.

      so lets focus on 3rd.

      out of 9 outcomes just 2 would make that pt handy.

      so do u really feel the pt was worth settling for?

      u honestly dont think it was worth risking a pt which is less than 25% of having an impact, for the chance to have destiny in your own hands?

      come off it john.

      u stil avoided answering that part john.

      all u have done is say there is 2 outcomes out of 9 where the pt would come in to play for arsenal. & 1 out of 9 for newcastle.

      u are getting more ridicolous by the post john.

      2 choices-

      attack-
      u could have destiny in your own hands but risking losing a pt which has a in 9 chance of being useful.

      defensive-
      settle for the pt which means destiny is our of your own hands & there is a 2 in 9 chance of this pt being useful for 3rd.

      u would seriously choose option 2?

    • "also its highly unlikely this pt gained will have any bearing on where we finish" and "there is no way this pt will have any effect on whether we finish above or below newcastle".

      Sorry SB but that's a load of bollox. The only way that point won't count is if we lose and Newcastle win.

      As long as the Goons don't win on Sunday, if we win and they draw, or we draw and they lose by more than 2 goals then we get 3rd (and the Newcastle result will only then matter to the Goons); if we lose and Newcastle draw we get 4th.

      So that 1pt MATTERS VERY MUCH! How many on here would be howling with fury if we missed out on 3rd or 4th by that same 1pt?

      OK, we should have secured all 3 points on Sunday against a poor Villa team, but we didn't. Everyone can debate the rights and wrongs of what 'Arry did or didn't do until they're blue in the face but doing so will make fcuk all difference to our points total as it stands today - which is one more than we had before the game last Sunday.

      I don't like it any more than the rest of you that we have to rely on other teams' results on the final day of the season, but I fervently hope I'll be shouting for joy at WHL when the fat lady sings on Sunday afternoon.

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