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It is an achievement if you look at it from the point of view of would we have taken 4th at the very beginning of the season - yes I think most of us would.
If you look at it from just before the Villa game - no it is not such an achievement. The problem is exacerbated by the loss of 4th getting CL football and Ar$e ending up ahead of us after what seemed an impossible thing to imagine happening.
Overall, the optimists will say we should be happy and the pessimists will say Bog Off we should have got 3rd. I am a pessimist.
And you are absolutely right about the Villa 3 points being different from the other 3 point games earlier in the season - whether JL will agree with you is a different matter.
3 pts is 3 pts,and 0 pts is 0pts whenever you get them. So a win against Citeh or Utd or QPR or Norwich or.... was just as valuable as a win against Villa.
The difference is how many point are left to play for - so people tend to see a loss earlier in the season as not as important as later as there are fewer points left to win at the end (and that you can 'make up' points lost from earlier on - which is not quite true). If anyone wants to see the points at the end of the season as being more important than those at the beginning or middle or... then that's up to them.
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Take no notice of that idiot John. Everybody knows what a tw4tt he is.
I have tried before to lay out the logic of the argument that 3pts when you know what the outcome will be, as opposed to 3pts when you are not aware, is more important but you are determined to see it as a black & white issue. If that were really the case then when we lost of even drew an early season game then surely there would have been as much criticism of Arry at that point. But there wasn't was there.
Thats because it IS different. 3rd was in our hands against Villa but it wasn't against Norwich. Arry knew this but chose to stick with the draw.
If everybody accepted your way of thinking about this type of situation i.e. 3pts at any stage of the season is as important as at the end, then how boring would that be!!! No excitement as the season draws to a close because the excitement is stretched out throughout the season. Thats rubbish and even you know it John. The reason we all get even more excited towards the end of the season is because each game, and each 3pts becomes more important as we see the finish line.
If you can't see that then I feel sorry for you as it must be quite boring in the Locke household as you contemplate the 3pts lost in the first game of the season as if it was "critical" and the majority of the rest of us get all wound up about that last kick which should have gone in and secured us CL football or the own goal that means so much to our future. No, I prefer it our way John.