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  • longtimespur longtimespur Sep 1, 2012 19:42 Flag

    Some are quick to re-act!!!

    http://triffictottenham.co.uk/fuming-is-an-understatement-my-longest-rant-ever/

    Be interesting to hear any thoughts from any Spurs fans?

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    • Jeff,
      I'm not sure AVB is a puppet, but I do think that Levy has vastly more input into the squad than is thought by most.To me it was obvious pre-season with the players who came and went without any manager being in charge. We'd seen it with VdV and Berba.
      I think that AVB's view on the squad (from the limited comments so far) would imply he has a 'young' policy - which probably is more akin to Levy and the board. So it may look like AVB is simply acting out the board's wishes, but they also may be his own.

      The only thing is that ENIC are investors, they make money from their acquisitions.I would guess that a young squad, with potential in selling on at a profit, is more attractive to them than an aging squad with little or no re-sale value - irrespective of how those squads actually perform (to a limit obviously - ie it would be pointless to have a young squad that gets relegated). I would guess their 'nirvana' would be a young squad that wins the EPL/CL - or at least achieves a shop window for the squad. Maybe I'm cynical. Whatever their motivation, improvements in the ground and training facilities can't be bad and can only help the club in the long term anyway - so they are building Spurs as a product.

    • '...."I'm comparing the 'effectiveness' and potential of a pair of players (one who succeeded and one who failed) to a manager (who has failed and may yet succeed)."

      yes john, your still missing the point. 1 day maybe.
      if u just stop looking at your harry can do no wrong banner, maybe u would get it. oh maybe not!

      both players had hugely different amounts of potential as explained earlier. the 1 who reached their potential & the 1 who didnt, was very predictable.

      1 had bags of potential & the other had most likely reached his when u take in to consideration his very limited attributes.

      so your conclusion in the end is that 1 with huge potential made it, 1 with no so much potential didnt. cheers john.....'

      Good grief SB, for someone who isn't going to reply much....(and what, you bring up 'arry again?).

      It doesn't matter for the analogy whether Bale had more potential than Bentley - or the other way round SB. The whole point is that their fulfilment of whatever potential they had was completely different. At this stage, we don't know if AVB's potential - that some assume he has (ie he may be like Bale who you say everyone knew had huge potential or he may be like Bentley, who you say everyone knew had no potential (I'm not sure why we bought him then or how his goals + assists for Blackburn were better than Daffy - odd little stat eh?)) will be fulfilled or not. AND if 'everyone' knew Bale had such potential - refer to the Telegraph article - do you want me to find the other articles written at the time (there should be a fair few out there).

      So will AVB turn out good or bad - like Bale or Bentley? I'll guess with your magic hindsight crystal ball you'll be predicting in 2 years time that AVB had no potential or he had loads of potential.


      '....keep arguing your case about how relevant it is if it makes u happy in harryland.

      as harry says we can win the title & are aiming for it. john echos this......'

      It seems that it's you in some sort of 'arry land. You have some form of obsession SB. I was talking Bale, Bentley and AVB and you keep going back to 'arry. You don't have a bunny boiling in the pot do you SB? As for 'arry saying we could win the title, he said it after getting 39 points in the 1st half of the season. I repeat, that is a fair comment to me. AVB said, before the beginning of the season, we could win the title as well. That was without a game being played. I don't recall you slamming him when he said that. But hey, SB, you need to check that pan, it seems to be boiling over with all the vitriol you put in there.

      And finally:
      '......big u turn in philisophy when harry says he settled for a pt against villa & he settled for 4th despite 3rd being in our hands. john suddenly changes his philosphy which coincidentally matches harrys. ....'
      There you go again on the 'arry bit. Surely the bunny is cooked by now?
      As I've asked on loads of occasions now - provide the complete quote SB - point me to it with a link - and I'll comment on that.

      My philosophy - what playing attractive attacking football? - matches 'arry's?

      If you do want to keep going on about 'arry, I'm ok with that and I'll answer any question you want to pose, but I think it would be better on a separate thread to save polluting every thread eh?

    • '....as i said before, bentleys & bales potential were miles apart at all stages in their career. so u are going from completly different starting positions.....'

      Opinion SB - that's yours. What I saw (and presumably what Levy saw, and Capello Saw and McClaren saw and Ramos saw....) was a player who HAD potential. He was England potential. Levy paid what £15m? So unless Levy is totally barking, and knowing how Levy likes to buy young and sell at a profit, he thought he'd make on that. So £15m of potential.

      The starting position isn't again the point SB. The end point was what I was getting at.

      As for:
      '.....how about we just leave it as harry is always right lol......'

      I'll just say again, that I've never said that. I find it odd that it's actually you who keeps repeating the phrase. Are you sure that you're not secretly a big 'arry fan?

      '....friedel upfront. well he is a big strong lad who can hold up the ball. defoe in goal. well he can hit a ball well for goal kicks. lol ...'

      I'm not sure what you're saying there SB - maybe you can explain what you were trying to get at?

    • "I'm comparing the 'effectiveness' and potential of a pair of players (one who succeeded and one who failed) to a manager (who has failed and may yet succeed)."

      yes john, your still missing the point. 1 day maybe.
      if u just stop looking at your harry can do no wrong banner, maybe u would get it. oh maybe not!

      both players had hugely different amounts of potential as explained earlier. the 1 who reached their potential & the 1 who didnt, was very predictable.

      1 had bags of potential & the other had most likely reached his when u take in to consideration his very limited attributes.

      so your conclusion in the end is that 1 with huge potential made it, 1 with no so much potential didnt. cheers john.

      now that will help with our opinion on whether avb will make it.

      keep arguing your case about how relevant it is if it makes u happy in harryland.

      as harry says we can win the title & are aiming for it. john echos this.
      big u turn in philisophy when harry says he settled for a pt against villa & he settled for 4th despite 3rd being in our hands. john suddenly changes his philosphy which coincidentally matches harrys.

    • no point me replying to much john. because u missed out lots of my points as usual. & ul do the same again.

      as i said before, bentleys & bales potential were miles apart at all stages in their career. so u are going from completly different starting positions.

      bale didnt reach his potential instantly. but under 2yrs isnt really that long to wait for someone who joined us so young.

      u get my point now dont u. well maybe u still dont get.
      too busy reading mein harry!

      il leave u to compare football & fruits!

      how about we just leave it as harry is always right lol.

      friedel upfront. well he is a big strong lad who can hold up the ball. defoe in goal. well he can hit a ball well for goal kicks. lol

    • Evening fellow Yids.

      I love this stuff.
      Especially the bit about about AVB being Levys' puppet.
      Never gave that one too much thought.
      Thats one way of getting shot of someone who doesn't do as there told.
      Give em no money and sack em for only managing to finish 4th.
      LEVY is a very shrewd man indeed.

      Keep it coming. COYS atb JEFFALL

    • ....PS from Bale's Wiki - he went onto play 24 games without a win....

      Quote from Wiki (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gareth_Bale):
      '....2008–09

      He signed a new four-year deal with the club in August 2008.[30] Bale was given the number 3 shirt for the 2008-09 season, which left previous number 3 Lee Young-Pyo without a squad number. After some poor performances, Bale was dropped in favour of Benoît Assou-Ekotto and the latter remained first-choice for most of the season.
      2009–10

      After playing a record 24 Premier League games for Spurs without being on the winning side,[31][32] Bale's first ever involvement in a Premier League victory came against Burnley on 26 September 2009 – more than two years after signing for Spurs – when he came on as an 85th minute substitute.[33]........'

    • Good grief SB, how little you remember.
      The Jonah bit was huge. It was all over the media and on here.

      And, lest you also forget, there was so much talk on here about our left side. Who would provide the LM role where most people thought the squad was light - most IGNORED Bale as they saw him as a LB at that point.

    • JL,

      Then lets hope Levy looks at the Bale situation and remembers what an awful record he had and how he's blossomed! Levy appointed AVB for a reason, he's got to have some faith in his conviction and give him some time, especially following the upheaval- which Levy is certainly partially responsible for.

      Rome was not built in a day- as they say!

      Sfer, I am rarely confident of our chances, especially against teams we 'should' beat! Reading will be well organised, hard working and really 'up for it', we are still bedding new players and management in, which will take time. Hopefully Bale will be out to prove a point, following Wales getting mauled by Serbia.

      COYS!

    • Joe ,
      That isn't quite what I meant.
      Both Bale and Bentley were signed as the board/manager thought they were very good prospects - something was 'seen' in both of them. Only after signing were there doubts in both cases. One proved good, one not.
      Ditto AVB. As you say, I think Levy/board thought AVB was a bright young prospect. It's only now, after a poor run, that they may be having doubts as to which way he may now turn out.

      As for Reading - I just don't know. I thought we played ok against Toon, and then seemed to slip backward in the following games (a good half against WBA, then a poor game against Norwich). I hope for a win, but I'm not that confident. Maybe with the 'new' players AVB will get the formation and style he's after.

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