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  • Sfer Sfer Sep 3, 2012 10:11 Flag

    What is AVB doing?

    I think many of us had doubts about AVB's appointment and his team selection so far has only added to those concerns. It is not unrealistic to feel that we should have 7 points in the bag at this point but 2 is a worry.

    Its not just the lack of points either - the lack of goals, the lack of fighting spirit, the missing attacking fluency we had last year - where has it all gone?

    Playing Defoe on his own up front is surely wrong???? How can you expect him to hold the ball up against two huge defenders? With two wide wingers who are TOO wide and too deep to get in the box enough, we are never going to score enough goals to win a game. Even if you swap Defoe with Adebyor it doesn't change very much.

    Starting the Norwich game with two holding MF's and two wingers was a mistake in my book. We were at home FFS against a side that we should be confident in beating. The shape is all wrong and the team look like they have no confidence and don't know what they are doing. This has to be down to AVB and his lack of clear strategy.

    I agree that selling Dawson, or trying to, is a mistake given our lack of options in that position. Yes he is not the quickest or the best distributer of the ball but his other qualities make up for that to a certain extent. Livermore is ok but top 4 quality?? Not for me.

    We spend God knows how much and all that effort in getting a new keeper when we have a perfectly acceptable one in place already.

    And to top it all off, my favourite player - you know the one, he works really hard running all over the pitch, tackles like a lion, has a fantastic pass success rate, scores goals, heads really well, a box to box player, fast as lightening - the one who now thinks he needs to adopt a silly BAE hairstyle to be noticed - Huddlestone, gets playing time and what does he do??? Pratt.

    What is AVB doing?? Am I the only one who thinks he looks like someone who THINKS he knows a secret that nobody else does? ie a different, more successful way of playing football?? What ever success AVB had in Portugal is irrelevant. As I said, I was worried about him coming in and I am even more worried now. I know the new signings have to bed in and Dembele is a good addition but the way AVB picks a team means we will only ever have one striker in the box and that is just plain wrong in my book.

    ps - I am probably the only one who was glad to see VDV go. The other "striker" that played everywhere except up front!

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    • I had reservations about AVB as well, and I have some concerns over some of his team selections. I try to remember it is very early in the season, he will still be learning a lot about the players he has inherited and the ones who have just arrived.

      I think it is slightly unrealistic to expect 7 points, it would have been a superb start under the circumstances to have 7 points at this stage ie: loosing highly influential players as we have.

      It will take time, I will try to reserve judgement until Xmas at least, lets just hope Lethal Levy will be reasonable an give AVB a decent chance. Any knee jerk reaction on Levy's part will highlight his own failings IMO.

      I also want to echo the sentiments from another thread, that booing is a ridiculous and despicable act and the reason why we are so often labelled as fickle fans. It serves no purpose and demonstrates a lack of basic understanding and compassion!

      embarrassing!

      COYS!

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      • Is a point at Newcastle and wins over West Brom and Norwich unrealsitic Joe? I don't think so. We would certainly have expected that most of last season and why can't we expect it now. OK we have sold Modric (I don't count any of the other players we have sold as being detrimental to the team) but we have bought in others that are supposed to make the squad stronger so why is 7 points unrealistic?

        I don't think sacking AVB so soon would be a good thing either and booing is just plain daft BUT so is that smug look on AVB's face. He has a way of saying "I know what I am doing whilst you lot are just thick fans" which is really annoying. When he is interviewed I keep expecting him to tap the side of his nose, wink, smile and walk away.

        Look what he did at Chelski with his team selections and tactical changes and we all know how that ended. When he came to Spurs I think we all hoped that he had learnt a lesson and that his time at Porto would come to the fore. Seems to me that he has not learnt anything, still thinks he knows it all and he is not likely to change because he is too arrogant.

        There are other teams in the PL that had similar or worse summer breaks/transfer dealings but they seem to be doing ok - why can't we expect the same? All this drivel about new players taking time to settle in - yeah ok, maybe, to a certain degree - but they are professional footballers who are being asked to do a job. Anyway. its not down to the new players is it - hardly any of them have played - its down to the team selection, tactics and management. I said before AVB was appointed that I would have preferred someone like Poyet over a "big name"................. and I still would.

    • I suspect you haven't been to a game in a while because generally when one person starts chanting others follow, which gives the team a lift. I work for my money to pay for my ticket as much as anyone else and the fact that I get behind the team entitles me to feel part of the success.
      Its not the message board I take seriously its the people at Saturdays game who think they're really doing any good booing our team, if you think it was just at the end of each half then you obviously weren't there.

    • "I suspect you haven't been to a game in a while because generally when one person starts chanting others follow, which gives the team a lift."
      i never disputed people chat & sing etc. i disputed the impact it has on the team. i think it helps a bit, but not significantly.
      im a rubbish fan. i only see spurs 4 or 5 times a year. i wasnt at the game & never said i was.

      "if you think it was just at the end of each half then you obviously weren't there."
      as i said already, im against people booing during the match. i was defending people who boo at the end, which i thought was clear by me saying im against people booing during the match. so obviously im defending the people who just booed at the end. im against the people who booed during the game.

      i dont know how to explain it any clearer greame.
      im defending people who boo at the end of the match. the people who booed during the game is nothing to do with me or my argument. as iv clearly stated, im against booing during the game.
      hope u understand now.

    • I think you both have a point. I don't like booing at any time BUT I think the point SB is making is valid. If you are struggling to make ends meet and you scrape together the price of a ticket and then the Manager selects a dubious team/tactics and they play badly and lose, then I can see why someone might boo. Not that it does any good and you could easily argue it makes the situation worse - but after the game has finished it just lets the team and Manager know what they think.

      Obviously it would be better if everybody got behind the team but thats not easy when you lose and played badly. AVB is certainly not making life easy for himself with his current team selection, tactics and bizzare use of players.

    • jeffall, no offence taken.

      but seriously, re read this thread-

      u will cringe that u suggest i shouldnt take things personally but at the same time u ignore greame taken my comments far too personally.

      greame-
      So, the fact that I left school at 16 and spent many years in the Army, serving in some dire places, seeing things that nobody should have to see, then getting a 'normal' job, working my backside off to make my way up the ladder to get to a senior management position with a decent disposable income means I'm not entitled to be as passionate and not as 'good a supporter'?


      me-
      a stranger on an internet forum really isnt worth getting ashamed over. there are bigger things in life greame! dont take a message board so seriously.

      strange conclusion u come to jeffal.

      il try not to take things personally jeffal,

      & hopefully u will stop being a sheep & start thinking for yourself.

      greame has clearly taken this thread far more personally than me, yet u do the fashionable thing & just mention me.

      i even say its just an internet massage board & not to be taken seriously. he goes on a rant about his life story.
      yet u tell me not to take things too personally & also dont mention greame.

      your 53 jeffall, think for yourself , make up your own mind, form your own opinions.

    • Evening fellow Yids.
      SB, try not to take things too personnally.
      I'm sure everyone on here knows how passionate you are about THFC and the premiere league and can understand why you sometimes jump in to defend your point of view.
      BUT,every one(well almost) is supporting the same team and i'm sure by counting to 10 sometimes would save you an awefull lot of typing.
      ATB JEFFALL
      COYS SPURS FOREVER

    • So, the fact that I left school at 16 and spent many years in the Army, serving in some dire places, seeing things that nobody should have to see, then getting a 'normal' job, working my backside off to make my way up the ladder to get to a senior management position with a decent disposable income means I'm not entitled to be as passionate and not as 'good a supporter'?

    • greame, im not using hindsight. before any home match against a team like norwich, too do the following isnt logical or likely to be effective-

      little defoe on his own upfront with 2 DM's including livermore.

      he could play friedel upfront & when it didnt work, u could just say "I suspect you will pick it based on who you feel played will using the gift of hindsight."
      nothing to do with hindsight! friedel is a goalkeeper.
      im over exaggerating the example to show u my point.

      "Then you join the list of people that I'm ashamed of finding myself associated with."
      a stranger on an internet forum really isnt worth getting ashamed over. there are bigger things in life greame! dont take a message board so seriously.

      yes, i do think u should go to a match to encourage a team. i dont agree with booing before or during a match. but after is fine with me. its a bit late to encourage a team when the match is finished.

      also, no offence but i think u are very naive & hugely over exaggeratting what impact u shouting "coys" has on the team. but if your delusions make u feel as much of the teams success as the players, then each to their own!
      maybe u should shout come on jenas & he will magically turn in to a good player!

    • Personnally Yes.
      However,fans don't get to speak to the team at half time and vent their anger if their team have played poorly and maybe thats why they choose to boo.
      I for one wouldn't have booed any of my kids for playing bad in any competitve sport and feel the same about my beloved Spurs.
      I may mutter a few expletives(hope thats right)under my breathe,but thats about it.
      Hope that answers your question.
      atb JEFFALL

    • Point taken SB.
      And so my identical point goes out to Greame.

      Just trying to calm things down a wee bit and no offence meant to either of you.

      For the love of THFC.

      atb JEFFALL

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