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  • Jlock Jlock Sep 17, 2012 09:18 Flag

    For SB (and Sfer if he wants - or anyone else)

    Maybe I misread or over-react to your posts - but I think SB was having a pop again with her:
    '.....i thought ade was going to play instead of defoe.
    defoe was awesome! u play him regularly & he will get u lots of goals!
    shame harry couldnt see this & persisted with zimmerframe vdv.....'

    So as I mentioned, I'm happy to debate this - hopefully contained here to save 'boring' other forum members.

    Back to SB - I keep repeating SB that Daffy is OK, he's not great. He will score, but his history isn't stunning. Try yourself. Look here http://soccernet.espn.go.com/player/_/id/7975/jermain-defoe?cc=5739 and see what his record is. Then explain what you mean by 'lots of goals'. Give me any season when he's scored (I'll let you count both goals and assists) more than 20 in the league. Give me all the seasons when he's scored more than 15. Then give me when he's scored (including assists) less than 16.
    I'll give you a hand, as stats aren't your thing - the format will be 'season-goals-assists-total - number of shots':

    2002 10 0 10 No Stats
    2003 8 8 16 81
    2004 7 0 7 35
    2005 13 1 14 99
    2006 9 5 14 74
    2007 10 2 12 82
    2008 12 2 14 60
    2009 10 4 14 95
    2010 18 4 22 113
    2011 4 2 6 68
    2012 11 1 12 66

    So from what I can see, he's got more than 15 'goals' (Including assists) twice in his career. And one of those was when he scored 5 in one game.

    So you may have 'faith' in him to score 'lots of goals', but his record doesn't seem to support it. Well, at least it doesn't to me. So maybe 'arry 'didn't see it' because it didn't happen in Daffy's career so far?

    He MAY score more than 16 goals this season - who knows - that's future? I hope he does - or if not him, I hope our team scores 80+ goals. But there's the rub, surely you saw from yesterday, yes Daffy can score, but he's greedy - in my opinion, if he doesn't score, he doesn't lend much else to the team. His role isn't holding up the ball or bringing other players into the game.

    I would guess that out of the 'shots' that Daffy had above, there would have been situations in probably a quarter of the cases, where Daffy elected to shoot, rather than play another player in. That's a guess based on what I see of how he plays. Myopic or what?

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    • Jimmy/NBR,
      The 'super sub' type label must be a pain for a player to 'shake off'.
      I can see that bringing on any fresh player with a bit of pace can have an impact in the last 20 minutes of a game - especially up front when the defenders are tired - I don't see that is all Daffy has though, and in some ways it's counter productive for him (as it is for any striker trying to get the feel for the pace of a game).

      I have been pleasantly surprised with Daffy so far this season, as I've seen him play one or two balls for other players when he would have taken a pop himself in the past.

    • Is this the most replies on a board to date?!!

    • I get what you're saying NBR, he's dangerous off the bench but he's started the season so well,while he keeps scoring surely he has to get a good run of games and be our first choice upfront...work Adebayor in when we can but play Defoe while he's hot

    • '...Don't most public message boards operate a similar system? I didn't find a way of bypassing it - somebody else did but I am glad they did as it gives me a way of expressing my thoughts about you tw4tt.....'

      I wouldn't know, I tend not to try (not always successful) to address the point, not the person. And even if I addressed the person, I'm not sure that pseudo offensive language works too well do you?

      '....I am not telling you anything about being right or wrong. I am asking you to stop posting a reply to any thread or post I make as I have no interest in anything you have to say. Thats what bugs you isn't it John? You cant stand the thought of someone not being enthralled by your intellect.....'

      I think you need to go back and read your posts Sfer.

      '...Of course you won't stop replying to my posts - you are far too arrogant for that. Given the choice of doing the right thing, i.e. ignoring my posts, and ruining this board for everybody because you are ALWAYS right and have to prove that to one and all - well, no contest as far as your warped mind is concerned. Arrogance personified - tw4tt. .....'

      See, I say about 'right and wrong' and then straight away you go and post about me doing the 'right' thing - as though your version of 'right' is all that matters.So if I do what you say, I'm doing the 'right' thing? And I'm arrogant? Sfer, Sfer, Sfer.

    • Don't most public message boards operate a similar system? I didn't find a way of bypassing it - somebody else did but I am glad they did as it gives me a way of expressing my thoughts about you tw4tt.

      I am not telling you anything about being right or wrong. I am asking you to stop posting a reply to any thread or post I make as I have no interest in anything you have to say. Thats what bugs you isn't it John? You cant stand the thought of someone not being enthralled by your intellect.

      Of course you won't stop replying to my posts - you are far too arrogant for that. Given the choice of doing the right thing, i.e. ignoring my posts, and ruining this board for everybody because you are ALWAYS right and have to prove that to one and all - well, no contest as far as your warped mind is concerned. Arrogance personified - tw4tt.

    • SB,
      If you have a link to the 'arry quote that you keeping referring to, I'd be interested in reading the whole article or watching the whole video.

      • 1 Reply to Jlock
      • http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/17885326


        harry-

        "once u got down to 10men & your 1-0 down 5mins in to the 2nd half. u would take a pt all day, i dont care who u are."

        why would u take a pt all day no matter who u are?
        the match was there to be won. it was against a very poor villa game. we needed the 3pts to keep guranteed CL football in our hands.
        but harry clearly says he would settle for a pt all day long.
        yes, normally with 10men & 1-0 down u would take a pt.
        but this wasnt a normal circumstance. before u said i have taken harrys words out of context, but this time its a direct quote for the actually context, ie- the actual game we are talking about!

        he clearly says he had settle for a pt.


        john theres no point anyway. u will do your politican act so u can cloud it & then come up with some more rubbish to wriggle out of it.

        just like your U-TURN on your football philisophy, despite it being in black and white!

    • '...I asked very politely that you stop posting your very boring, self indulgent drivel on any of my threads or responding to any of my posts. I even used the word "please".

      If others don't mind you posting replies on their posts fair enough but why keep on posting on mine when I have no interest in anything you have to say? Because you are a tw4tt thats why.
      .......'

      Do you recall your witty 'word' posts Sfer? No? Oh what a short memory you have.

      If you have no interest in what I say, ignore me and don't reply Sfer.
      But if anyone on here posts something that I find interesting or contentious, then I will potentially reply. Or do you want to do your thought police bit and tell me again what I can or can't post?

    • '....Even the thickest idiots on here know that this board does not like swear words and therefore the use of numbers, or any other replacement symbo,l is necessary otherwise the word concerned is replaced by Yahoo completely. I wil give you an example John.

      You are a f%&ing, arogant, self absorbed, very boring tw4t(t). ....'

      Really? So Yahoo tries to stop people being offensive by stopping them using offensive language? And clever you found a 'cute' way of bypassing that? Each day you go up in my estimation.

      I'll have to re-check my dictionary re arogant - but doesn't telling people what is right and wrong and what they can or can't post fall under arrogant?

      PS Go on, you know you really do want to ask for the 'Dummies Guide To Ignoring Something'. Don't be shy.

    • Even the thickest idiots on here know that this board does not like swear words and therefore the use of numbers, or any other replacement symbo,l is necessary otherwise the word concerned is replaced by Yahoo completely. I wil give you an example John.

      You are a f%&ing, arogant, self absorbed, very boring tw4t(t).

    • I just love the way you use numbers for letters. Cute. I also like the way you use numbers that 'look like' the letter rather than representing their position in the alphabet (ie 1 for A, 2 for B etc) - that way, you could still call me a tw1t when you meant a tw4t - two insults in one! How clever would that have been?

      PS Has tw4tt got two T's? Or were you trying to emphasise the last T (like Blackadder's Bobb?)?

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