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  • Jlock Jlock Apr 23, 2013 10:18 Flag

    Credit where its due

    Do you think though that T'Hudd looked good because of how we played?
    I didn't see much difference between the style of his play at the weekend and the style of how he's played in numerous other games.
    What went through my mind, is that I 'perceive' that we play slower now - mainly because of the congestion in playing through the middle rather than wide I think - so that gives T'Hudd more time on the ball. I would guess that under 'arry the game could quite easily pass a player like T'Hudd by - as the emphasis seemed to be more on wing play and again what I perceived as a faster switch from defence to attack using short, quick passing.

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    • I didn't say he played well - I said he made the difference. As usual, he showed he is too slow to be top PL player and he gives too many free kicks away as a result of that. What that game highlighted to me is when we play with Parker and Dembele together in the middle of the park we are not actually passing the ball forward that much. Parker passes sideways and backwards more often than not and when he does occasionally pass forward it is rarely a good pass. He also suddenly tries these long, desperate dribbles and actually ends up either being tackled or running off the pitch.

      Dembele slides past opponents midfield players very smoothly but then runs into a back 4. I have not actually seen him pass the ball forward that much.

      When Hudd came on he very quickly picked out Defoe and Bale with passes from midfield and we looked a different side. I haven't changed my mind about Hudd but it made me realise why we have been creating so few chances lately.

      As for the slow play, again, if you have players like Parker (who passes sideways and backwards) and Dembele who likes to dribble, you are not going to play quick football are you! Earlier this season we were giving the ball to Lennon and Bale's feet and they were taking on defenders and going around them. When they have not played we have struggled to even make any chances. Adebyor is never going to be quick enough or try hard enough. But what happened against Citeh was that suddenly there was someone who was prepared to knock the ball forward or even over the top for the strikers to get on the end of it - and it worked.

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      • SB, Your'e entitled to your opinion on AVB, but I recall one of your post's after about just six game's, that you hope he fail's so Levy can sack him, so I wonder if your personal dislike for him has anything to do with his ability. He has had to deal with a lot of key injurys, and quite a few new player's to bed into the team, and after a shaky start, has kept us up in the fight for CL place all season. Of course, we're all armchair manager's, and think we could pick a better team and be more tactically astute when results dont go our way, but as someone else has said in another post, if you look at many of the goals we have conceded that has cost us points this season, a lot of them have been down to individual errors, rather than the tactics being wrong. Sometime's the player's have to take some responsibilty, ( an example, during the Wigan game, Walker, starting in his right back possition could of passed the ball forward to I think it was Dembele, who was standing wide right, but instead decided to run across the pitch and ended up losing the ball on the left edge of their penalty area allowing Wigan to break and us short of defender's all because a player didnt keep the game simple, and retained his position ) so if we had conceded at that moment, would you say it's AVB's fault, that his tactics are all wrong?. Just a point on Moye's, IMO he has one of the easiest job's in the PL. There is no pressure on him to achieve anything season after season, which is odd considering Everton are a big club, but without the finances, apart from PL status, theres no expectations, whereas at a club like our's, I wonder if he could handle the extra pressure of being expected to achieve certain targets?. He dos'nt strike me as a manager who would suit Spur's style of play over the year's, but more a safety first type of manager who the majority of fans would not like if we lost our traditional style. Having said that, who know's?, he could be great, just as AVB could be given enough time and backing from the board and fan's alike.

      • agreed again sfer. i dont rate hudd but he played really well when he came on. id say defoe made as much of an impact too. his foward runs & movement creates space for others. look at how many breakaway goals involve defoe pulling a defender away. my issue with hudd is defensively he is a liabilty. & his mobility, pace & fitness is poor. just not good enough for a CL league CM. we are more likely to concede with him in our team. but i cant deny his passing is very impressive. i like both dembele & parker. but they dont really compliment each other. individually they are both good but as a pairing they have limitations. still good players to have. i prefer sandro to parker. & i still feel we need to replace modric with a moutinho or banega type player.