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  • John John Oct 18, 2011 19:29 Flag

    Relegation

    News this week of foreign owners wanting to get rid of relegation from the Prem has been met with some fairly harsh words.

    So how do you reduce the $$$$ effect whilst maintaining some semblance of order. I don't like seeing clubs come and go in a season.

    I think it is stupid that a team placed 5th in the Championship could get promotion into the Premiership in the play-offs, when 4 other teams have been better than them over the course of the season.

    I think that at the end of the season, the bottom three teams in the Premiership should play the top three in the Championship on a neutral ground.

    Prem 18th -v- Champ 1st
    Prem 19th -v- Champ 2nd
    Prem 20th -v- Champ 3rd

    Winners either stay or get promoted. Losers stay or go down.

    I think it would be a good litmus test.


    Any others, or should it stay the same?

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    • Bottom two out and top two up or we could make it really interesting and increase the numbers relgated to 5 teams and bring 5 teams up, this way more clubs get additional monies but the quality of football goes down the pan.

      Having said all this, we all know who the relegation fight is between at the start of every season so to be honest it only effects a maximum of 8 teams anyway?
      Generally the teams that have came up and the usual dross at the bottom of the league that didn't go down the season before.

      It's now a league of two halves, like it or not!

      • 2 Replies to Raider
      • Its a very bad idea to think of 5 teams for reg/pro. In theory that is interesting but practically positions 19 and 20 will become irrelevant. The teams would give up very early and to me as l have said a threshold of 3 is sufficient. It maintains competition all season. All teams feel they will survive and another 3 feel they have a chance whole season!

      • Its a very bad idea to think of 5 teams for reg/pro. In theory that is interesting but practically positions 19 and 20 will become irrelevant. The teams would give up very early and to me as l have said a threshold of 3 is sufficient. It maintains competition all season. All teams feel they will survive and another 3 feel they have a chance whole season!

    • I'm not particularly for the idea, to be honest. But what I would say, is that it would have to be:

      Prem 18th -v- Champ 3rd
      Prem 19th -v- Champ 2nd
      Prem 20th -v- Champ 1st

      Otherwise it's better to finish to 3rd in the Championship than 1st! Or, conversely, better to finish 20th in the Premiership than 18th!

    • I like the idea John but I would hate to see promotion boil down to a single game, as we know all teams can have a bad game which is the exciting part of Cup competitions like the FA cup.

      I would propose at a minimum that we make your format into a 2 game match-up (home and away - even if the two games are not actually played home and away but on 2 neutral grounds)

      I do believe that the mechanism of relegations has to remain a part of football for many obvious reasons, not in the least to generate fans entertainment and incentive to invest for clubs.

      I also think there should be an award for finishing 1st which should probably mean automatic promotion and the reverse for finishing last.

    • "But you're still saying a team that has done so badly in the Prem over the course of a season should be given another chance"

      Yep.

      A chance to prove that compared to the best in the Championship, it is still better. (Better the devil you know)

      The other thing that has been mentioned is the stadiums.

      Bloomfield Road 16,000 capacity.
      Loftus Road 18,500 capacity.
      London Road 14,500 capacity (Though I don't think The Posh will get promoted anytime soon)

      It's embarrassing. People used to take the piss out of Highbury (38,500). There should be a limit on capacity to earn a place in the Prem. 20,000 as a minimum.

    • I'd say: 19th & 20th EPL go down automatically. 18th EPL vs. 3rd Championship.

      • 2 Replies to Ahmad K
      • I quite like that.

        Looking further down, it used to be that finishing bottom of the football league didn't normally cause you to fall out of it. There wasn't much movement between the football league and the northern/southern/conference leagues. Maybe the problem today is that there is too much promotion and relegation to/from the Prem when we know that clubs bouncing around have huge problems managing finances.

        What about just one up/down automatically and the second place determined by play/off?

        I don't know the answer to this but it would be interesting to know the average length of stay in the Prem by teams being promoted in the first, second and play-off positions.

        Robert

      • Ahmad-

        I'm assuming that 1st/2nd in the championship would come up Automatically?

        If so, then I like that idea.

        John, I agree a team who finishes 5th getting promotion is a joke!

        However, I think we need to increase the ways for the money in football to be spread amongst more teams. IMO preventing or resticting promotion/relegation will only stem that flow. In time making all leagues less and less competative.

        Good thread again, ta

        COYS

    • Gilly Gilly Ossenfeffer Katzenellenbogen Gilly Gilly Ossenfeffer Katzenellenbogen Oct 19, 2011 14:05 Flag

      A silly idea John .... if a team has played so bad during the season that they end up in the relegation Zone they should be relegated.

      With your way, a team could play brilliant football all year in the Championship, then meet a team that has played crap all year in the Prem, and lose, denying the Prem of a good team whilst putting up with the crap for at least another season.

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      • "With your way, a team could play brilliant football all year in the Championship, then meet a team that has played crap all year in the Prem, and lose, denying the Prem of a good team whilst putting up with the crap for at least another season"

        Exactly why it's a good idea.

        If a team who wins the Championship can't beat one of the worse teams in the Premiership, what hope have they got of staying up for more than one season? The Prem just ends up with another team, even worse than the one who just got demoted!

        My way would reduce the risk of a team getting promotion, not because they were great, but because the rest of their league were crap.

        As Joe pointed out. Why do the 5th place team in the Championship even get a look in at promotion!? That is silly.