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  • FABONGRASS FABONGRASS May 17, 2013 06:46 Flag

    Wenger staying (probably longer than 2014) - good or bad?

    Problem is Radge that the quality of player you would like to see signing on a regular basis CAN demand wages in excess of £200kpw. I would have loved to have had Mata at the club, and, apparently the deal was very much on the verge of being completed only to be gazumped by Chelsea.
    I don't want to see Arsenal selling its soul and becoming reliant on the funding of some billionare with the power to hire and fire at will, just so the club can truly compete in the transfer market with the likes of City and Chelsea that's for sure. It is a GREAT credit, both to the club AND Wenger that Arsenal still CONSISTENTLY challenge in the major competitions, year on year without the benefit of the bottomless purses afforded to Chelasea and City and United.
    These last two seasons have been exceptionally demanding, due to an almost wholesale change in playing staff at the club. This season also saw the arrival of a new first team coach. Yet Arsenal are still within touching distance of qualifying for the most coveted competition in club football and still in with a chance of finishing ABOVE Chelsea and their millions.

    Wenger is of the highest quality. His talent permeates the club throughout. The guy should be lauded by the clubs 'support' and he should certainly NOT be the target of derision.

    I would have liked to of seen how Ferguson would have managed had he not been so substantially funded in recent years.

    Naturally if Arsenal fail to qualify, if Spurs finally get one over us (and surely karma is on their side), then those who only let their blinkered vision see the negative will be jumping all over Wengers back, The Sun and The Daily Mail in their back pockets, ludicrously bleating about 'poor management'.

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    • Mata would have been great. I think he is an exceptional player and behaves like a class act. But Cazorla is not far behind if at all.

      I believe we can compete with City and Chelsea we just need to start taking advantge of our improving financial position and perhaps hope for FFP to bite the big spenders a little.

      Although it is a matter of perception, IMO we have not challenged in major competitions over the last many years. Come the middle of the season we are often well out of the race for the PL title never mind the reasons. IMO we have been lucky to be the best of the rest but are now in a position to start closing the gap with the top 3 if we play our cards right. Ironically now that, it seems to me, we are on the verge of a small break through towards narrowing the gap with the top 3 we could face a major set back if we don't qualify for the CL.

      I say we beat Newcastle, sign a top striker and defensive midfield player, get rid of some big earners who don't contribute, replace Sagna if he leaves and we might very well finish next season much closer to 2nd place if not capture 2nd.

      If Moureen comes back Chelsea should be considered pre-season favorites for the PL title on account of their great squad but Man U will have a new manager and so will City so anything can happen to those 2 teams and if we don't have to bring in 3 or 4 new players we could start the season of a lot better than in recent years.

      • 1 Reply to Govinda
      • Cap'n have to reply this way since Yahoo doesn't let me reply directly to your post below.

        I have not studied the FFP in minute detail, but the principal that a clubs spending has to be in relationship to its earnings seems fair to me. In particular as it relates to wages.

        It seems to me if an owner wants to build a stadium and donate it to the club or provide it to the club for free that there should be latitude for that, but to me that would be different than when an owner funds a team that makes 500mill a year on revenue and spends 600mill on wages. It is that principle that kills of competition IMO and thus kills the mid-table and bottom teams in the process.

        I keep saying it, to me the answer and the simplest benchmark to monitor is a wage cap which should be the same for all teams whether you are City or Everton. It drives salaries down and distributes players more evenly and to more teams thus making the league more competitive.

        Look across Europe and there is no real change in the competitive landscape, Man U, Chelsea, maybe City, Real, Barca, Bayern, Ajax. The same teams win the leagues most of the time or more often than not. I don't believe this is healthy for the sport in the long run.

    • Fab: Nah not at all. THere is no need to bring in players who demand 200kpw+ Those type of earnings are reserved for the best of the best with some few laughable exceptions (Yaya, and Rooney now, not so much when he got his contract though)

      I believe its perfectly possible to create a team out of players who earn respectable wages (in context) We show that it is possible to compete without getting silly although we also show that if we pushed the boat out once in a while we could bring in the quality we so obviously need.

      I doubt Mata earns more than 150kpw. He has been an amazing signing and I am gutted we didnt try harder for him but that only comes with hindsight. Before his arrival in England he showed alot of promise but no one knew if he would adapt to the EPL. So it was a gamble that Wenger didnt bother with. He is proof that sometimes it is worth taking that gamble.

      Vertonghen is another example. I think he is on about 90kpw. We could have really used him. Yet 90kpw is well within our wage structure yet strangely is seems Wenger thiks thats too expensive for a defender!? Now proven to be definitely a worth while investment/gamble.

      Coming into this summer mentions of Jovetic or Higuain. Jovetic and Higuain are gambles to a certain extent, however their stats suggest it would not be a big gamble to take to guarantee their signatures. Will we break the wage structure to get either of those players though? I have a horrible feeling we wont yet we could easily afford to if we got rid of our deadwood.

      We have about 8 players who do not have any future at Arsenal and who offer us little other than experience. Get rid of 2 or 3 average and bring in 1 quality. Easily achievable when considering the wages our squad players are on. If we got rid of Bendtner and Chamakh we could offer Higuain wages of 120/30kpw and still have money left over from Bendt and Cham's wages. When you look at it like that, its hardly a gamble at all. Infact saving money too which we all know Arsenal like doing.

      • 1 Reply to Radge2def
      • I just read an article that said Spurs were going to offer Bale £170/pw and if I were them I would sign him to that no problem if they can afford it. I would be happy to pay Higuan £150/pw. Perhaps we should try to incorporate, if this is not done already, performance related comp. ie Higuan starts with a bad of £120 but he can earn up to 150% that much if he scores a number of goals or has a certain goal to game ration and perhaps this should also include goals made for others and the number of appearances he makes should perhpas also figure in. All these measure should be scalable so that £120 can go to £130 but also to £175.

        Flip side as well, you don't make it into the team for a certain % of games or minutes, your base drops. This would majk it easier to get rid or carry the deadwood like Chamakh or Arshavin.