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  • I think that Jacques could have equaled MS and
    maybe even won more championships if he had the
    equipment. Plain and simple. Jacques is a real
    driver and does not like the "driver aids" and all
    the electronic #$%$ that are in F1. I think JV made
    a major mistake dumping FW and then sticking with
    BAR for too long. Sad end to his career and he
    could have given MS a decent run over the last
    few years.

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    • well actually, before your ma popped you out, I had already gone in there formula one style......s**t that makes me your dad, bloody hell sorry son...i take it all back......

    • na i shagged your ma again but she said i was still better than you ha ha.

    • Your a virgin aren't you GWilson 1973, you must be!

    • Firstly I'd like to point out that when Villeneuve parted company with Williams, he was sacked and did not want to go. Afterwards, egged on by his avaricious manager Craig Pollock, he went for as much money as possible at BAR, the team being run by the same man! Of course, as a driver's manager, Pollock took a cut of Villeneuve's earnings. But at the same time, as team principal, he was deciding how much to pay his drivers! A conflict of interest is plain to see.

      Now as to whether Villeneuve could have matched Schumacher... Out on the circuit at any one time my belief is that 30-40% of the drivers were at least equal to Schmucker. The difference was that they did not have his influence off the track. That is where he won so many (if not ALL) of his championships. So, yes and no. Villeneuve was the equal of MS in the car but to win so many titles required underhand tactics which fortunately for those of us interested in sporting competition, neither Villeneuve nor any other driver will ever match.

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      • 'Underhand tactics' and '30-40% drivers equal to Schu'? Your living on cloud cuckoo land mate. JV won the championship in a Williams car that even most OAP's (no offence guys) could have done so. If anyone was the equal of Schu at certain times it was Mika, but for sheer consistency with an underpowered car - no chance.

    • Do you like any other drivers ??? Or just schumi ??

    • Do you like any other drivers ??? Or just schumi ??

    • JV came on the scene full of promise and had all of us in splendid anticipation.
      For two seasons he drove a car so superior that even a toddler could win with, and then what? Nothing, the guy has lived on his father's reputation, he's a gymkana driver, avarage talent, no back bone and a bum attitude, look what Jenson made him look like at BAR! Or Massa at Sauber! Compared with MS, he shouldn't even live under the same sky!

    • If you've watched them, why do you think that there were 40 races when there were 36?

      If you read what I wrote then would would I said 40 races for Nextel Cup cars. I included the four non points races which are the Bud Shoot Out, the Gatorade Dual 150 Qualifying races ( all three at Daytona in Febuary) and the All Star Race

      The drivers quoted were Jimmy Spencer and Johnny Benson. Would be glad to forward links anytime you like.


      Those are two drivers out of 43. Both drivers are no longer in Cup racing and Jimmy Spencer was known for contoversial remarks like and was often brought before the indepentant Stock Car Commission and fined for his remarks.

    • F1 and NASCAR teams often trade technology with the trades being about 50% NASCAR to F1 and vice versa.

      Yeah, I can see it now...NASTYCAR crew chief teaching F1 crew chief how to set the carburettor...oops...well...maybe how to plumb a nitrous oxide line...no...weld a cage...no...

      Are you seriously suggesting that any accidents late in a NASCAR race are staged?

      Two thirds of the races with cautions at the end. It's either staged or the drivers are wankers.

      Also 27 of the 40 races for NextelCup cars this haven't ended with Green White Checker or have had a caution in the last 20 laps as you claim. I know as I have seen every race this year either live or as live.

      If you've watched them, why do you think that there were 40 races when there were 36? And 23 of those ended with cautions in the last 20 laps...I get my information from the NASTYCAR website. And if you're off on such a simple thing as that, why should I (or anyone) listen to anything else you have to say.

      Would you rather see a race end under caution or tag a few extra laps on to the end and see it end under green?

      I'd rather see a set of rules that is maintained. If it's scheduled to run 300 laps, run 300 laps. What about the guy who puts in just enough fuel to get to the checker? Sorry, "we want to put on a show."

      I haven't heard any driver complain about that win at all. I was at that race (The 2001 Pepsi 400) and I didn't any driver complain that is was fixed as you claim.

      The drivers quoted were Jimmy Spencer and Johnny Benson. Would be glad to forward links anytime you like.

      When Schumacher tried to fix the race at Indy a couple of years for a dead heat but failed and let Barrichello to win. The FBI investigated that as fixing a sporting fixture (?) is a serious offence.

      Bunk...I flat don't believe that, but on the off chance I can think of several occasions where sporting events have had outcomes fiddled with...better put them onto the lads that conceded matches at the Ryder Cup when the outcome wasn't in question - just like the win at Indianapolis wasn't in question. Ryder Cup was going to be a Europe win; Indianapolis was going to be a Ferrari win. Plus,
      anytime a team puts in the reserves near the end of a game
      the point spread can be affected. That's a load of bollocks.

      We better agree to disagree. Keep your roundy poundy lead sleds, and I'll keep my snobbish open wheelers. I'm not going to change your mind, and you certainly aren't going to change mine.

      It's been fun...

    • YES, BUT THEY ARE ALL LOW-TECH. Whatever happened to the "racing improves the breed" reason for having racing in the first place.

      Only the cars that race are seemly low tech as you put it. The War wagons (The large Boxes that are in every pit) are full of the latest technology. The Race Shops ( which can visited by the fans at any time. You can't do that with F1 race shops!!!!) use the latest technology to build the cars. F1 and NASCAR teams often trade technology with the trades being about 50% NASCAR to F1 and vice versa.

      When was the last time you saw a full course caution near the end of an F1 race? NASTYCAR does it two thirds of the time. That's the choreographing I'm talking about.

      Are you seriously suggesting that any accidents late in a NASCAR race are staged? If you are then you no nothing about motorsport. Debris cautions again are a vital safety tool. Even the smallest screw can puncture a tyre and send a car into the wall. The ONLY time NASCAR throw a caution for something that has not happened on the track is when they use a 'Competition caution'. that is only used easrly in the a race when there has been little or no running due to the weather. Also 27 of the 40 races for NextelCup cars this haven't ended with Green White Checker or have had a caution in the last 20 laps as you claim. I know as I have seen every race this year either live or as live.

      Right, it's all about the show

      As is all motorsport. Would you rather see a race end under caution or tag a few extra laps on to the end and see it end under green? I would rather see a race end under green than yellow.

      Yes but you had multiple drivers casting aspersions on the legitimacy of the win - talking about how you cannot pass on the outside in restrictor plate racing by ones self, in dirty air. Such a thing hasn't happened before or since.

      I haven't heard any driver complain about that win at all. I was at that race (The 2001 Pepsi 400) and I didn't any driver complain that is was fixed as you claim. I have attended many more NASCAR races since then as an official and woked with other US based series inlcuding CART. Not once I have ever heard of a race being fixed. As far as your claims that no-one has before or since that race doing what Dale Jr did ( passing on a plate track with no help) that is wrong. Jimmie Johnson, Dale Jr and Jeff Gordon have all done it this year. Driver who do that move at the plate tracks normally go high to pass. They do this for two reasons, one they get a side draft offof the wall and two they get a side draft of off the car(s) they are passing. It does help if you drafting partners at places like Daytona or Talledega but they not always nessacary.

      Think before type rubbish about a series you seem to know nothing about. I am lucky I have officiated for NASCAR ( and its European brother SCSA), F1, Le Mans, ALMS and many other series all over the world. I know what goes on in staging a race meeting and choreographing only comes in when you are either doing the podium ceromony or working with live TV for the race start only. Once racing is under way the officials re-act to the race itself. The ONLY time I have heard of a race being closed up on purpose was a EUROCAR V8 race at Brands Hatch and that was impossible to hide. When Schumacher tried to fix the race at Indy a couple of years for a dead heat but failed and let Barrichello to win. The FBI investigated that as fixing a sporting fixture is a serious offence. American Wrestling is entertainment not a sporting event. Those 'fights' are rehearsed. Motorsport is not rehearsed unless it is an exhibition race for a launch of a new championship. Even then you can't garuntee the outcome as mechanicle failure can mess things up.

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