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  • david david Apr 16, 2007 05:17 Flag

    Boring F1

    Congratulations to Lewis Hamilton´s achievement of finishing his first three races on the podium, but racing it isn´t.
    At this time of the year the processionary caterpillars leave the fir trees in my area and follow each other to their settling destination...ring any bells with F1.
    During the 1980s and 1990s I spent a fortune on magazines and books relating to motorsport and F1 in particular. The racing in the early turbo days was exciting, the racers were characters (Rosberg, Pironi, Piquet, Glles Villeneuve, Laffite, De Angelis...) racers all. Prost had a great racing brain. Senna´s first lap at the Donington GP was awesome. Sadly the racing seemed to have died when he did. Hill fought Schumacher, but that was it. j.Villeneuve and Hakkinen will not be remembered for long. Alonso only won because the car had an advantage and even last year he was almost beaten by a real racer in an awful car.
    This year we have had three terribly boring races with the only overtaking taking place in the pits or on the first lap...yawn.
    Thank God the Superbikes were on the other side. World superbikes had three races covered by a second at the end. British superbikes had four riders enter the last corner together. Now that is racing.

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    • Best I can gather, there has only been one lead change on the track through five races (Alonso passing Massa at the start of the Malaysian race). Does anybody have a solid source for this sort of info? I have a bet of sorts with a coworker.

    • Another boring race today. The cars are technical marvels but the best car always wins baring mech failure. The drivers count for very little these days. Drivers of the 1940s & 1950s would find it so easy with the way the cars stick to the road.
      Monaco is just a social event. The most excitement used to be when someone slid into the marina. Even the skilled pilots of MOTO GP would find passing difficult there.
      I admire the technical wizardry but racing is non existent. Give me superbikes or MOTO GP any day for REAL racing.

    • Just finished watching the Monaco grand prix and what an ABSOLUTE BORE! Apart from the first corner and some sparring between Alonso and Hamilton what the bleeding hell was that! Monaco is a track where its always been difficult to overtake on, but Schu's 22nd to 5th place last year and, win in the wet, and all of Senna's wins here made this one look pathetic.

      We now know that Kimi's no MS, Alonso can still drive fast and Massa probably doesn't like tight circuits. But jeeez the lack of excitement made me swith over to the 'The Next Pussycat Doll' on Channel 4 half way through. What a shame the sows ended now because Real F1 Racing is like a dying breed now.

    • The competition caution yesterday was because there had been very lttle running due to weather with the new car and NASCAR decided that on safety grounds that a mandatory caution would give the teams a chance to come and check tyre wear. This is only done when there has been very lttle running due to the weather and the circuit has been repaved or is new or a new car (as yesterday was with the Cot) is in use. Just because it was used yesterday doesn't mean it will be used when NASCAR return to Richmond later in the year. No one had any idea on how a set tyres would last at Richmond with the CoT. Yesterday was the first time the competition caution has been used this year and hopefully the last. the only differances in the rules between circuits is the pit road speed limit.

      The rerason thatn you don't race in the rain on an oval is because even wet weather tyres would come aprt due to the very high stresses put on a tyre whilst racing on an oval. It is far to dangerous to race in the rain on an oval due to the constant high speeds involved.

    • Qualifying still needs some work. Q3 is untterly pointless, usually reflecting who wants to make the shortest opening stint.

      And you will never have overtaking unless the cars have very similar abilities. If a car is fast, it should qualify at the front of the grid and then pull away from all of the slower cars.

      The way to even out the cars (and reduce development costs) is to use success ballast - introduce a handicap. Constructors would then be less likely to spend millions of dollars to gain an extra second, when they'll lose the advantage after winning just one race!

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      • why not make every driver submit in an FIA sealed enevelope his starting race fuel level if he makes it into the top ten shootout

        in q3 each driver has to set 2 timed laps or go to the back of the grid

        after the session ends the FIA can supervise the addition of fuel(easily checkable by weight) as the cars are impounded anyway

        this way we see who truly is fastest out there and we go back to having the quickest man on pole so pole means something again

        and as for the argument of sucess ballast with a modern car its technically dangerous to add ballast s the car has been designed to race at 600kg with balanced fuel consumption

        to introduce ballast would alter the symmetry and centre of gravity and basically fundamentaly need the cars to be re-designed as most teams would opt for a longer wheelbase chassis

    • MarshalBob;

      What about the 'competition yellow' (Sunday's rain delayed race)? My wife, the NASCAR fan, tells me that's so every one will have a chance to pit and make changes (since it's an impound race) while there is no racing.

      Why can't they do that during the race? Do the teams need a time-out so no one can actually win on strategy, skill or bravado? (Don't get me started!)

      And why are there different rules for different tracks? Why don't the same rules apply for every venue for the whole season?

      Oh, I have a thousand questions about NASCAR, but at least I know why JPM switched over. It's because the series is barely above the demolition derby!

      Some of F1 may be boring, but at least in F1 'real men' race in the rain.

    • No staged finishes in Nascar .... how many races have you watched over the last 10 years where surprise surprise there has been a yellow flag for "debris" in the last 10 to 20 laps. Get's even curiouser when "debris" flags are flung when "certain" pit stops are taking place.

      In oval racing even the smallest washer or screw can cut a tyre and send a car into the wall. The debris cautions are thrown for safety reasons and no other. Sometimes the debris is found not to be a problem but that is after having it picked up. You don't take chances when safety is a concern and you have cars doing anything upto 180mph average speeds for one lap.

      On ovals drivers will pit if a caution is thrown 15 laps or so into a run as new tyres and fuel is an advantage. All cars have the same size fuel cells in them so once one car pits most of the others will do so unless they are off sequence for some reason Most late race cautions in NASCAR are for accidents not debris.

      I am talking not just as a fan of motorsport in general and NASCAR in particular but as a senior marshal with over 20 years experiance and one of the few oval trained (I was trained in oval marshalling first by CART and then by NASCAR) marshals in the UK

    • No staged finishes in Nascar .... how many races have you watched over the last 10 years where surprise surprise there has been a yellow flag for "debris" in the last 10 to 20 laps. Get's even curiouser when "debris" flags are flung when "certain" pit stops are taking place.

      In oval racing even the smallest washer or screw can cut a tyre and send a car into the wall. The debris cautions are thrown for safety reasons and no other. Sometimes the debris is found not to be a problem but that is after having it picked up. You don't take chances when safety is a concern and you have cars doing anything upto 180mph average speeds for one lap.

      On ovals drivers will pit if a caution is thrown 15 laps or so into a run as new tyres and fuel is an advantage. All cars have the same size fuel cells in them so once one car pits most of the others will do so unless they are off sequence for some reason Most late race cautions in NASCAR are for accidents not debris.

      I am talking not just as a fan of motorsport in general and NASCAR in particular but as a senior marshal with over 20 years experiance and one of the few oval trained (I was trained in oval marshalling first by CART and then by NASCAR) marshals in the UK

    • No staged finishes in Nascar .... how many races have you watched over the last 10 years where surprise surprise there has been a yellow flag for "debris" in the last 10 to 20 laps. Get's even curiouser when "debris" flags are flung when "certain" pit stops are taking place.

      In oval racing even the smallest washer or screw can cut a tyre and send a car into the wall. The debris cautions are thrown for safety reasons and no other. Sometimes the debris is found not to be a problem but that is after having it picked up. You don't take chances when safety is a concern and you have cars doing anything upto 180mph average speeds for one lap.

      On ovals drivers will pit if a caution is thrown 15 laps or so into a run as new tyres and fuel is an advantage. All cars have the same size fuel cells in them so once one car pits most of the others will do so unless they are off sequence for some reason Most late race cautions in NASCAR are for accidents not debris.

      I am talking not just as a fan of motorsport in general and NASCAR in particular but as a senior marshal with over 20 years experiance and one of the few oval trained (I was trained in oval marshalling first by CART and then by NASCAR) marshals in the UK

    • To be honest, I think half the drivers themselves get bored and just stop racing, turning it into a possession around the track... you can see it in the way the handle the cars. I realise a lot of them might be 'nursing' it home, [or that's what they'll say afterwards] but most, I think, are just plain bored.

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