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  • Daedalus Daedalus Aug 24, 2007 23:01 Flag

    McLaren Punishment Appeal - 2007/2008 -redux

    As a fan and follower, I have attended many grand prix in person and rarely missed a single race on TV in the last 16 years. I have never seen such a time that my faith in the sport has been at an all time low. If McLaren escapes punishment for their crimes after the upcoming appeal, I will be boycotting F1 for at least 1 season. I am not a Ferrari fan, I don't even like Massa, or Kimi and could care less if either win. This is based off simple principle, that a team that is found guilty of things, should be brought to justice.

    I think that Flavio said it best in his comments about the switch to Bridgestones, and that McLaren should receive severe punishment for their cheating.

    I know that many will have their judgment clouded by silly things, some odd sense of national pride (UK and Spain), but the fact remains that the only fair thing to do is to punish the drivers and the teams, as they have brought the sport into disrepute and caused fans to question the fairness of the competition. Any fans out there who are not fan boys of Hamilton or Alonso will be asking them selves, how can a team like McLaren, who failed to win a single race the year before come out the next year on brand new tires they are not used to, and be unbeatable? Even more so, how can they do this with a rookie, who clearly depends entirely on his car to win, with no ability to win from anywhere other than pole with his team (and the FIA) launching him to victory?

    F1 World Champions are a rare thing in this world, and it would be disgusting to see 1 crowned based off such dirty means.

    Additionally, how can the FIA now allow all teams next year to run a Microsoft McLaren designed electronics package? I refuse to watch a sport where a cheating team like McLaren designs parts for use in all cars in 2008, who knows what they have planned to get an edge over the competition.

    Anyone else planning to stop watching F1 because of cheating related issues?

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    • It'll be nice after tomorrow when all the oxygen wasters disappear for the rest of this year and next.

    • Oh we are a smart arse are'nt we. Like i said check out the info on the websites listed and see who is talking rubbish!!!

    • No your missing the point.
      The car manufacture teams proposed a breakaway championship when the original concorde agreement ended cause they felt they were'nt getting the deal they should be getting from Bernie and the FIA. The only manufacturer that was'nt prepared to join the breakaway championship was FERRARI and sided with the FIA. Since then a new concorde agreement has been signed giving the teams more revenue and say but the FIA never forgot that Ferrari was their friend throughout the whole ordeal hence why they are looked upon differently in incidents by the FIA and why there is more Ferrari men on the FIA board then any other team - And you can check that out on the FIA's own website and see for yourself!!!!!

    • Still rubbish! FIA race stewards felt the car met all requirements. Only after further scrutiny did the FIA clarify the ruling and force Ferrari to change the floor design. The cars weren't deemed illegal, therefore no punishment necessary. Someone else has already explained it on this thread. Also, please define what an appoligy is. I couldn't find it in Webster's English dictionary.

    • If its rubbish then i think you better check the details out for yourself. Try going back to the australian gp and news that followed after on even the ITV-F1, Autosports web site or even the FIA's site itself and i think you will find its note rubbish and your humble appoligy will be gratefully recieved!!!!!!

    • Now that's rubbish....

    • Dear Wenk and #$%$
      Yes, I am of Italian descent, and a huge Ferrari fan. Do I have a grudge with Jackie Stewart? Not particularily, other than that he is sticking his nose in and making assumptions like everyone else. Just because the Brits decide to stick a "SIR" in front of his name, doesn't mean he is immune to attack from those outside of the UK. I wasn't even attacking him though. I was questioning his assumptions FIA bias towards Ferrari when he is unwilling to name names. Also, who told Dennis if he would step down, the problem would disappear? I'm still waiting....

    • Who made the suggestion and who is guarenteeing that evrthing would disappear if he steps down?

    • "Ferrari was found and proven to have won the first race this season with an illegal car they got NO POINTS DEDUCTION OR FINE"
      Now thats a sensational news... we better find a way to notify Ron Dennis about this.. ahh wait he already knows about it, all the other teams know about it.
      But guess what only McLaren complained about it.

      Dont you find it strange that teams like BMW, Renault, Williams-Toyota and Toyota(who were approached and notified in details from McLaren about Ferrari`s "illegality") who would have gained 1 or 2 points more if Ferrari was disqualified from that race never logged a complaint???

      Or are you suggesting that BMW, Renault, Williams-Toyota and Toyota would be happy to let go few constructors points(and therefore a good amount of money) because they are all pro-Ferrari as well as FIA? Guess not, especially when you concide that "at least 90% of teams think ferrari get special treatment from the stewards and the fia".

      As for "when the car manufacture teams proposed a breakaway only ferrari obstained"... sorry, I dont get this point!!! How does the fact that Ferrari opposed/obstained to something put forward by (all?) the other teams proves or indicates that FIA is pro-Ferrari??? As far as i know, there are some kind of decisions in F1 which can not go through if a unanimous consent has not been reached.. which means if a team decides to obstain, the change doesnt get through... be it Ferrari, McLaren, RedBull or whatever.

    • "Ferrari was found and proven to have won the first race this season with an illegal car they got NO POINTS DEDUCTION OR FINE"
      Now thats a sensational news... we better find a way to notify Ron Dennis about this.. ahh wait he already knows about it, all the other teams know about it.
      But guess what only McLaren complained about it.

      Dont you find it strange that teams like BMW, Renault, Williams-Toyota and Toyota(who were approached and notified in details from McLaren about Ferrari`s "illegality") who would have gained 1 or 2 points more if Ferrari was disqualified from that race never logged a complaint???

      Or are you suggesting that BMW, Renault, Williams-Toyota and Toyota would be happy to let go few constructors points(and therefore a good amount of money) because they are all pro-Ferrari as well as FIA? Guess not, especially when you concide that "at least 90% of teams think ferrari get special treatment from the stewards and the fia".

      As for "when the car manufacture teams proposed a breakaway only ferrari obstained"... sorry, I dont get this point!!! How does the fact that Ferrari opposed/obstained to something put forward by (all?) the other teams proves or indicates that FIA is pro-Ferrari??? As far as i know, there are some kind of decisions in F1 which can not go through if a unanimous consent has not been reached.. which means if a team decides to obstain, the change doesnt get through... be it Ferrari, McLaren, RedBull or whatever.

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