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  • probablygraham probablygraham Jan 2, 2008 05:34 Flag

    Replacement for Max Mosley

    Just been wondering, since Max has talked about retiring (although I'm sure he'll be around for a few years yet), who do you think should take over.
    I've made a bit of a list of people who I think would be good for the sport because they love motorsport and I think would point the sport in a more "fan friendly" way (not in order - just some names):

    Niki Lauda
    John Watson
    Stirling Moss
    Jackie Stewart
    Michael Schumacher
    Keke Rosberg
    Gerhard Berger

    And some names which could make F1 very interesting:
    Eddie Irvine
    Nigel Mansell (as long as he never gets interviewed)
    Villeneueve/Montoya (only as a double act)
    Nigel Stepney :-)

    Any thoughts ?

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    • Actually paddock, we don't disagree over the "show" either.
      That's why I loved going to Monaco - if you know where (and when, i.e. Friday) to go you can be right next to the drivers and team bosses and even Murray Walker :-) and all for free.
      And you can take the p*** out of the millionaires on the boats when they fall off the gangplank :-)

      You'd also be amazed how easy it can be to get into some of the paddocks if you know people. I walked in and out all day at SIlverstone with a Canadian GP VIP pass a few years back. And I was in all the best grandstands at THAT race in Jerez with the German equivalent of a Blue Peter badge. Anything to get one over on moneybags. Just don't tell anyone LOL

      As for the circuits, give me Spa any day.

      I think that's about it for this thread because I can hardly find the posts any more.

    • The reason I laughed wasn`t because I disagreed, it was because I just can`t see it going that way.
      I`m of the old school of innovation, too, but it`s a different world now & I don`t think we can turn the clock back. It would be like going back to Commodore 64s ;-)
      Standardisation is all a step too far for me, though. It`s everything F1 should not be about.

      I think the only place we really disagree is over the 'show' particularly when that side interferes with the rules.
      I don`t particularly care if it`s a trendy new Tilke track with luxury loos, hospitality suites where no-one actually watches the track & press suites packed with all the goodies.
      I don`t give a toss if Miss World, Hollywood Hunk or Pop Star attend.
      I`d be happy with decent stands & clean loos as long as I could see a real race.
      I don`t think it`s any surprise that all the recent FIA decisions which have so upset the teams & their fans have been arrived at with one very capitalistic eye on the 'show' .

    • I'm doing my bit to show I'm not happy with F1 as it is. I used to try to get to at least 1 or 2 races a year (especially Monaco where it's worth going for a week, and if you stay in France it's not that expensive).
      For all the other races I would get up at any time to watch.
      Now I don't - I go and watch historics and club events where it's all about sportsmanship.

      The mad thing about F1 is that it used to be about innovation, which was fascinating for the fans - remember they used to drive well over 1000 horses without traction control!

      That's why (as I said once and you laughed about) I want to see the return of cars with huge wings, huge tyres and virtually no engine rules. Give the cars a ridiculous minimum ground clearance and take all the electronics out and forget the fact that everyone of us drives a car with more technology in them. We want a show!
      Just looking at some of the ideas Max has for the future makes me think that he doesn't give a monkey's about the fans and he says it's all about cutting costs - some of the teams own more powerful supercomputers than NASA and Max is saving the odd engine is saving cash - what a wombat LOL

    • Nobody ever wants to see a race cancelled but sometimes, for whatever the reason, it may have to happen.

      Say there was monsoon rain, a major prang in the first few laps & the race was black flagged in the first 10 minutes. Would the fans be any happier that they`d have had their money`s worth?

      The problem with the chicane suggestion was, I hear, the FIA rule which says it would have had to be sufficiently tested - by the time the chicane became an option there wasn`t the time, I gather.

      The tyre change - well, I don`t think that would have been seen as any more of a proper race really. The Bridgestone runners wouldn`t have had the number of tyres available to do it & they would still have disappeared into the distance. Also some of the options would have penalised the Bridgestoners when, let`s be frank, they`d done absolutely nothing wrong.
      As it`s against a driver`s nature to go slow that option wouldn`t really have worked either.
      In all honesty I can`t see how there could truly have been anything remotely like a proper race whichever option they came up with.

      I think it`s the old story of Bernie`s side conflicting with & influencing the FIA side. That may actually be what`s at the bottom of most of the problems.
      Maybe we, the spectators, should actually decide if we want to watch a circus show (a la Bernie) or a sport. It`s pretty obvious the two can`t always work together.

    • It's a difficult one but all I know is that what did happen was a huge mistake.
      It was down to Michelin and their risk taking - no doubt about it, but I think they should have gone for the silly chicane solution. It could have been quite interesting to see the cars chugging around a few cones at the start of the straight. And so what if the teams had to change tyres every 10(?) laps or something.
      I don't think postponing a race is ever the right way - fans travel from all over the world and it's not just the cash - it's the holidays and hotels and basically being cheated out of a once a year event.

      I agree it's not fair to blame the Bridgestone teams but I don't think the photo finish was very clever but came across if anything as arrogant, crowning a totally screwed up yet half ways avoidable day.

    • Out of interest what is your take on what happened at Indy then, Graham?

      In my opinion it was Michelin`s #$%$ up.
      Personally, I think the FIA would probably have been better to cancel/postpone than to have just the Bridgestone teams run.
      However, as the teams are contractually obliged to run (unless there`s a safety reason not to) the Bridgestone teams could have found themselves on the wrong side of a Bernie lawsuit if they refused to go through the motions.
      Bernie`s not so much interested in safety as 'the show must go on'...... even if it is, obviously, just a show as Indy was.
      When Michelin couldn`t even come up with a suitable alternative tyre (as specified under the regs should be available) the FIA could have said "Ok This weekend is off".
      It would still have driven the fans & promoter mad; meant refunds (which happened anyway) & still had bad press but would have been more logical in my mind.
      Don`t imagine that the Bridgestone teams were any happier with the situation than any of the others. They just HAD to go out on track. They all knew it was a farce &, maybe, made the point with the 'photo finish'.

    • lolol - OK so your mind was on secretaries & not public relations. ;-)

    • paddock and petrus - that was part of what I was trying to say when I mentioned "Whether this was intentional or just bad PA". I meant to type "PR" but I was too stupid :-)

      I posted something on that a while back - I think that the FIA have been very arrogant in the way they have handled the press and the public, along the lines of "if you don't understand, that's your problem". I think one of the worst examples of this was how they treated the scandals at Indy (the tyre farce and the photo finish Ferrari win). The Americans won't stand for it and nor should we.

    • Now that I do agree with :o)

    • While the fact that both Ferrari and McL fans feel that they have been unfairly treated can indicate that the perceived bias is not real, it can also indicate something else. Namely that the governing body are incompetent or are seen as incompetent. This last is probably the root of the problem. The injudicious expression by MM - and BE - of (apparently) personal opinions often at critical moments ahead of tribunals and appeals have been particularly damaging. These have eroded the trust of all supporters. For the FIA to do their job well (if they do it well) is not enough. They must be seen to do it well and be seen by all, Ferrari and McL fans alike to be impartial as well as competent. In this they have failed.

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