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  • arnoldlayne arnoldlayne Nov 2, 2008 02:40 Flag

    Negative Tactics!

     

    we score after 3 mins and then expect to just defend the lead. playing alonso & mascarano was just so defensive from the start; understand it against a top side but bloody spurs. keane was supposed to be up front yet was often in the midfield, why? As for gerrard, just shameful, no influence, nothing. set peices? just wasteful. too many times, an attacker would have the ball on the edge of the area then pass it back 30 yrds. Rafa's subs were just as defensive, mascarano was spare most of the game. all those rival fans who said liverpool were too defensive to win (or at least challenge) the title just been proved right. I have always said Rafa sends his teams out not to lose rather than to win; a big mental difference. this was a shameful performance, shameful result. But this is just one defeat, I hope a wake-up call to Rafa and the players. still a long way to go but the players must learn from this. Finally, Kuyt, who I don't rate and have often said so, but today I did think he was the one player who had 'attack' in his head.

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    • Usually Liverpool knick it at the death so this was a turn-around. I thought it was a well worked goal - not much you could have done better in defending against it. As you say - there's a long way to go yet.

    • O/T -

      Not trying to be rude or anything, but you're too young to be a Floyd fan. Where do you get the handle from?

    • Couldn't DISAGREE more Arnold. Bloody hell, someone's mighty peeved and just wants to hang it on someone.

      How can you say we were negative when Reina barely touched the ball in the first half and for a large part of the second? How can you say we were negative when we peppered their end with chances, hit the frame of their goal 3-4 times, just lacked the clinical finish?

      I think our luck finally ran out yesterday, and will take my hat off to Spurs for making the most of their limited chances (in comparison to ours I mean). You just can't argue with the result, and blaming Rafa or the players on this occasion I think is just plain daft. I took alot of encouragement from the performance yesterday, and with a Torres in there we probably might have stitched it up by halftime.

      Like the Chavs last week, we were going to lose eventually and take the resulting p1sstaking from all those twits who were DYING for the chance to rub it into us. We could well be better for it now that undefeated tag has been shed. Who cares if it was a resurgent Spurs that did it? I'd prefer that than the effing Mancs, that's for sure.

      Just suck in the result and back the team FFS, they are playing the best brand of football I've seen from them in years.

      YNWA

    • Dissapointed!! Have been telling you guys that we are not gonna win the league with Rafa in charge...I like him as our manager but sometimes you gotta let go if you know he can't deliver the title for us. We did play like a champion for 70 minutes but the game ended in 90th minutes...our passing was good but not perfect (give Rafa 2 more seasons to sort that out?)...We are starting to crack but we will not lose against WBA next week, might be a draw though...

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      • As some of you correctly pointed out, we lacked the killer instinct to finish a game off. However, I disagree it was negative tactics! Without Torres, who do we have that have a killer instinct? Not Keane, not Babel, not Kuyt. So what can we do? If you do not have the players, you cannot have an attacking game plan! That's why Rafa had no choice but to play 4-5-1, playing Keane as the lone striker, I endorsed that game plan as the objective was not to lose away. We pushed our luck, but this time it was not in our favour.

        Lost one game is not the end of the world, we can still win the title if we manage to lose only 4 games and win the rest! So let's not throw in the towel!

        I still think we should continue our interest in Barry come January. He will be available on the cheap because he can pay 2m to buy his contract out! Dossena is a bit light-weight for my liking and I think Barry will be superb in the LB position, and play midfield should we want to rest Gerrard. Furthermore, I think we should definitely buy Owen back for 2m. Again, he can buy his contract out.

    • Couldn't DISAGREE more Arnold. Bloody hell, someone's mighty peeved and just wants to hang it on someone.

      How can you say we were negative when Reina barely touched the ball in the first half and for a large part of the second? How can you say we were negative when we peppered their end with chances, hit the frame of their goal 3-4 times, just lacked the clinical finish?

      I think our luck finally ran out yesterday, and will take my hat off to Spurs for making the most of their limited chances (in comparison to ours I mean). You just can't argue with the result, and blaming Rafa or the players on this occasion I think is just plain daft. I took alot of encouragement from the performance yesterday, and with a Torres in there we probably might have stitched it up by halftime.

      Like the Chavs last week, we were going to lose eventually and take the resulting p1sstaking from all those twits who were DYING for the chance to rub it into us. We could well be better for it now that undefeated tag has been shed. Who cares if it was a resurgent Spurs that did it? I'd prefer that than the effing Mancs, that's for sure.

      Just suck in the result and back the team FFS, they are playing the best brand of football I've seen from them in years.

      YNWA

    • negative tactictes??? one defeat and questioning rafa??you mean with 75% of the play and hitting the cross bar and post and the number of chances we had, dont talk shite, it was one of those days today and the true measure of our team will be how we react, and i think it will be positive, oh and we never had that bit of luck today. stand by your team

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      • The game goes for 90 minutes, not 20. You can't play the first 10 minutes in each half and expect to win - no matter how many "chances" you make. And let's face it, some of the chances weren't even half chances - just desperate swings from way out. We usually make about 20 "chances" per game so why aren't we winning 10-0 every week?
        As soon as you see Mascherano on the team sheet think NEGATIVE, and at times it is warranted. But against Spurs -- whose midfield consists of Huddlestone, Zakora, Ohara? And one striker? And no Lennon in the starting lineup? Give it a rest. Rafa got it TOTALLY wrong tactically in this one and we paid for it.
        We should have had Alonso and Gerrard as the midfield and gone in with Kuyt and Keane/Babel as the strike pair with Pennant on the right wing. That would have kept both their full backs and midfield defending while Riera and Pennant marauded down the flanks.
        Instead we let their midfield run the show for far too much of the game - where did you get 75% from - after the initial spurt in each half.
        We do stand by our team, that's why we go on here and discuss games and tactics. If we didn't care this board would be empty.
        Now let's hope, as you said that the reaction IS positive and we go out to win from now on, not just to not lose.

    • 'you being older has nothing to do with it' - read Arnold's previous post on this thread where he accused me of just being out of nappies when we last won the title. That was the basis of my response Jose.

      Of course he is entitled to his opinion, as am I to disagree with it. Am I in any way depriving him of his right to express his opinion? I am discussing a football topic on a football forum.

      Take some chill pills then get back to me.....

    • Arnold Layne u are 100% CORRECT. Benitez sends his sides out not to lose rather than to win.We looked like we felt all we had to do was show up at White Hart Lane to claim the three points. Our movement OFF the ball was pathetic, Ive noticed this for quite a while now , its a typical trait of defensively oriented sides for obvious reasons. Our passing of the ball was a joke...backwards, sideways, short interchanges back and forth between defenders deep in our own half which resulted in the ball being hoofed high up the line or down the midlle with the result of quick loss of posession ??!!!
      Ive been posting this same stuff for ages stating that Benitez doesnt use players in their natural positions but rather converts wide men and front men to :chase back midfielders: watch Keanes play hes starting to look more and more a 20 million misfit ! Riera looked like he was aT least trying to ATTACK the Spurs rearguard thought he might have helped Babel but....? I was heartened by the result at Chelski but look at their results since that defeat 3.0 AWAY at Hull 5.0 yesterday over Sunderland...how will we do after this defeat ? You only have to look at the movement off the ball with Chelski to notice the degree of support and options available to the man in possession whereas we look like most of our players are merely admiring the movement of the man in possession rather than constantly running into space in support to give that player the options he needs ...why should this be ? I think u need look no further than the negative Benitez tactics so reminiscent of the Boring ONE NIL TO THE Arsenal of the late sixties early seventies. Sorry but just cant see things changing while he is at the helm. The worst aspect of yesterdays defeat is that Spurs loked every bit the side struggling in the relegation zone , clueless no hopers problem is we were just as bad. Credit to Harry Redknapp for managing to make the most of the very little that he knows he has there.

    • Insult my intelligence if you will, it means squat to me.

      I've just seen my fair share of p1sstakers in my time on here to have serious doubts about new ids like yours that go after the manager the minute a bad result appears. Did you even exist on here before last Saturday's game? So convenient that you surfaced when you did.

      I am skeptical of posters like you. You and Jose talking to each other even sound like one and the same person. To me anyway, you lack credibility.

      I agree, let's end this discussion. Put me on ignore, and I'll happily return the favour. Jose, you too. You're broken record about Rafa on this board is getting too bloody tedious, sure you mix it occasionally with some stuff that sometimes is worth reading. But that's few and far between. I'll get over it.

      So cheerio lads.....

    • Can you please show me where, in either of my two posts I said "we are cr@p?"
      I've supported LFC for 38 years, through thick and thin. As a TRUE supporter I express myself when things look bad, offering positive suggestions where possible.
      I have said, as many others are and have been saying for quite some time that we are far too negative SOMETIMES. I think against Chelski and ManU and the like we NEED to be "negative" or cautious so we play Masch and ALonso together but not against Spurs for goodness sake. My positive contribution - Gerrard and Alonso should have been our attacking midfield, with two strikers up front.
      I also said we make a huge number of "chances" nearly every week and questioned why we aren't winning by big margins in most games. I think the arrival of Torres has blinded us all to a major flaw in our team - either the attackers (apart from Torres) just aren't sharp enough to bury our chances OR we are really only making half chances, shooting from long range or tight angles where "better" teams may take that extra touch or pass to make a rock solid opportunity. The fact some of these miracle shots go in (thanks to the brilliance of SG and Xabi) is blinding us to a huge failing in our attack - either tactically or ability wise. Torresa return is most welcome but the problem remains - we need to be making and scoring real chances, not relying on miracle goals.
      As a true supporter I was up at 2:30 am watching the Spurs game and I will continue to get up in the wee small hours to watch our boys and I will be cheering just as hard as any of you at Anfield. Don't presume to question my loyalty to the cause.

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