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  • arnoldlayne arnoldlayne Oct 21, 2009 11:37 Flag

    Thanks Rafa but you got to go!

    This can not go on much longer, the club really is becoming a joke and much of it is down to rafa (put the 2 yanks to one side for now); He has clearly lost the players and the ability to motivate them pre-match, mid-match and post-match; The mess he has made of the team as a whole, his bizarre signings (and sells), his mad subs, his complete lack of tactical knowledge, and his insane comments mark him out as a man who has had his chance;

    Taking just tonights match as an example, it is obvious gerrard was not fit and should not have played lasting just 20 mins, if that! Then he brings on a bloody left back to replace him (was babel just a bit annoyed or what?) Why was jamie C playing on the right wing in the final 10 mins? We lose torres and replace him with a lad who cost next to nothing and who is clearly not ready for top flight football;

    The simple fact is we are an average side, even with gerrard and torres in the team; our best hope this season is a uefa cup spot come May;

    Should say thanks to rafa for the european cup & fa cup wins but go for the sake of the club;

    As for who replaces him, I have no good answer but whoever it will be they will have a massive task on their hands sorting the team out and getting teams to pay decent money for a number of average players;

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    • Waits for Dave to spread spme inconstructive optimisim.

    • Liverpool are making a big mistake with Gerrard. He's injured so get the surgery done. All this patching up isn't working, especially if you can't rely on Gerrard to finish a game.

    • or harry redknapp lol

    • i do hope you keep harry, last thing we need is a guy who will bugger off the first chance he gets.

    • Keep it up lads, who needs opposing fans to undermine the club when there are myopic muppets like you lot around.

      Bob B.

    • 'a club of our stature' WTF does that mean.

      History owes us nothing. You make history, you are not defined by it.

      When benitez bought Bellamy for 6m, he actually wanted Simao, for 12.5m. The board would not sanction the money (in other words we didn't have it). Simao MAY have been the sort of creative player you expect would grace 'a club of our stature'.

      When Benitez brought Crouch, again it is widely understood that he wanted Torres even then, but the board wouldn't sanction the move, and if not he was linked with several other far bigger names that were out of reach. Hence Crouch was signed for 7m.

      This story has been repeated 100 times at Liverpool under Benitez. He has rarely got exactly what he wanted. The times he has specifically have been Agger, Mascherano, Johnson, Torres, and Morientes. An 80% record isn't bad is it? The story of Robbie Keane will one day come out, but I understand that he was not a Rafa signing (make of that what you will for 20.5m).....

      We don't shop in the same store as Chelsea or united. 18m on Anderson, 15m on Nani, 18m on Carrick, 230m on messrs Rooney, Ferdinand, Berbatov. Torres was an outlay of 20.5m, whilst United have spent more than that on 6 or so occasions I believe.

      A club of our stature.......PMSL!

    • sofa supporter, i'm not saying this is a reason for rafa to stay or anything...but he also won the fa cup, not just the champions league.

      Sideshow, to pick up on what you have said, i've also seen before that the season we signed lucas, rafa wanted sergio aquero for 10mil but the board wouldn't sanction and instead we got lucas...what a twat parry and moores must feel now!

    • Spot on Sideshow,

      I have tried to avoid getting involved in this debate which is pretty turgid, and worse destructive.

      However, there are a bunch of people on these boards who still think we have a god given right to win because of what we achieved 30 years ago. We do have an exceptional history but it is exactly that, history. Screaming to bring back King Kenny and the boot room boys will no more bring LFC success than the succession of Newcastle old boys managed to achieve at that club.

      The fact is that we are now like any other team having to work hard to build a winning formula. That is a much bigger issue than just the 11 that trot out each Saturday as it includes issues such revenue generation, youth squad development, fitness programme development plus a whole host of other requirements.

      To lay the blame for our current predicament solely at the feet of Rafa is as idiotic as to suggest that if we won every week it would be entirely down to the manager. Similarly to think that his departure would be some form of Panacea is just plain daft.

      Bob B.

    • Panacea: Is that the Italian bacon stuff? Great wrapped round monkfish!

    • Robert

      Lol, I presume you are hamming it up.

      Bob B

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