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  • Red_Till_Im_Dead Red_Till_Im_Dead Dec 10, 2009 21:20 Flag

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    A lot of people here are calling for Rafa's head and probably rightly so, but if Rafa was to go who would you realisticly want to replace and you must be realistic in your targets as some may not see Liverpool as an attractive proposition at the moment.

    I hear talk of Kenny Dalglish but is that not just sentimentality, football has moved on since his last spell at Anfield.

    I hear Hidink, bbut would he take it, I hear about Martin O'iel but he seems to have a better chairman than what he would find in Liverpool.

    I am not trying to be DSter heree as I do think your manager needs showing the door, let's have a bit of footy chat.

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    • sorry about spelling, keyboard playing up.

    • hmm i think the standout candidate that most fans would want if rafa were to go would be jose mourinho...but then would he want to come to us, and if he did I doubt he would want to do so until the end of the season. So that poses the question do we persevere with rafa until the summer and start afresh then or do we sack him now and let some like king kenny or sammy lee or even john mcmahon (reserve coach) be caretaker manager until we can get some else in?

      My preference would be to stick with rafa until the summer as i think it would cause more unrest in the squad if we were to get rid of him now and could have a negative effect rather than a positive one.

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      • A lot of emotions are flying around at the moment. I can hardly blame those who are thinking passionately rather than logically.

        But being logical it would be very stupid of us to sack Rafa atm.

        Sure it hurts that we're doing poorly I feel the best thing is to hang on until summer.

        If we can get Jose Mouriniho he won't wanna come until summer anyway. So lets look foward until then.

        Lets just hope upon hope that Rafa is able to secure that top 4 place.

        If he can't then we'd struggle to secure the services of Mouriniho.

        I truly feel theirs great things to come from LFC.. Then again I've got to think that way as I'm a LFC fan.

        The likes of P&S just like to wind up the LFC faithful. Until theirs a change of manager then it makes sense to get behind whoever is charge as it'll affect the confidence of the team..

        No doubt the players are frustrated at not playing as well as they know they can.

        Aquilani although seeming tired needs further matches and training to get his stamina levels up to cope with the EPL. I'm sure he will. If he can play 60mins in the next few upcoming games he'll improve..

        Lets not forget this guy has had a long term injury it takes time to get back to match fitness.

      • Good post Daniel even though the original poster is on a wind-up mission as usual. Rafa has to go, he's incapable of delivering the much-sought after domestic league title to long-suffering scousers. Get rid in the summer.

        Keyword = 'persevere'

    • While I still think Rafa deserves to the end of the season, I think you actually raise a valid point for those who think things are so bad that Rafa needs to leave yesterday.

      Fact is there are very few managers available. Hiddink is in my mind the only one of the caliber we should be considering, and in all honesty I just don't think he's the answer. Fine as a caretaker of a very large quality squad at Chelsea and success at the International level, but it’s been a long time since he's proven he can build a squad to challenge on a budget, and never in the prem.

      So anyone you bring in is more than likely a caretaker. Now maybe the caretaker proves himself worthy of the full time job, so maybe you take a punt on Sammy taking on the big chair, seeing if Dalglish can turn back the clock, or how about trying to get Stevie Nicol back from the Colonies. But, when the competition for 4th is so strong, and finishing at least 4th is critical to the financial future of the club, not sure I'd take a risk with someone who might be good enough.

      Since at best we'll get a caretaker until the field of top managers makes itself available after the World Cup, why not stick with who we've got. Call it a caretaker role during which he has to re-prove himself if you wish. But at least let him have a go at proving himself.

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      • Hiddink did a good job at Chelsea and got them organised but Scolari was brought in to play attractive football and he did for a while but because they didnt win every week they ditched him, Hiddink just made them solid again and they didnt play attractive football so I think longterm he may have had the crowd go against him. He was perfect for tidying up a mess but I have to agree I dont think he would be the man. I dont think Mourhino would be the man to build a legacy but if we were to have a chance of winning the league with Stevie still out of a zimmerframe then hes the man.

    • I would like to see an experienced english manager in charge this time

    • I would like to see an experienced english manager in charge this time

    • To be honest I'm not against having a British manager, but just not sure they are good enough. They might be, but until proven we have no idea. That's the catch 22, to prove they are good enough they need to manage a top team. To manage a top team, they need to prove they are good enough.

      For me maybe Harry, although I'm not convinced. Hodgson is a safe pair of hands, but its still a question mark he can go to the next level. Although O'Neil would be my pick as of right now as the best potential top 4 manager. But even he is unproven, and really I doubt he'd want to move where he's got a great relationship with his chairmen, and actually pretty good money to keep building out his squad.

      But I'd have to disagree with you on Big Sam. I used to respect him, despite him promoting the ugliest form of football. At least he was honest about who he was and what he would bring. I also think he got a bad wrap at Newcastle, but then again logic and Jordies don't always mix. But, after his little stunt last season talking about how hurt and offended he was by Rafa was over the top. Then to have his mate Fergie back him up, was just laughable.

      So I'd have to say no thanks. But for those who think Rafa offers a boring product, they'll love the Allardyce lump it up field approach so much more!

    • Steven Gerrard...............no further explanation necessary

    • Actually yes explanation needed, are you saying the next Liverpool manager should be him?

      I hope you are, as a Utd fan it would be a real joke.

    • We need a manager who...

      -Has charisma, who the players warm to.
      -Who can get the best out of players.
      -Who can stabilise things - not start a revolution (we have a good team, they are just not performing).
      -Someone who has connections in the game.
      -Someone who gets us back to doing the basic things well.
      -With a capacity to change games and go for the win.
      -Someone who understands not losing is not as important as winning.
      -Someone who stands up and is counted when they get it wrong.

      I have never loved Harry Redknapp's personality, but he fullfills some of those criteria. I don't think Hiddink comes across as the warmest man, but he fills others. If I could have anyone in the world right now I would have the England man - Cappello. Players respect him, they work for him, they like him, they fear him. He could click his fingers and we could be have quality older players to cover every position. He knows the European market, and is no slouch tactically. Also, he is bloody cool...

    • Yup......next manager should be Steven Gerrard, with someone like Kenny Dalgleish alongside to give advice and field some of the pressure. Player Managers have achieved some success before now dontyerknow? Midfielders also tend to make very astute and far-seeing Managers when they come through.....Bill Shankley, Bobby Paisley, Martin O'Neil, Sir Matt Busby etc etc. (Alan Hansen could have been but he didnt have the balls for it). I also think that given the present situation (mid-season, out of Champions League, little chance of Trophy's this year, very big problems to finish 4th in the EPL and quailify for next year in Europe, dis-spirited playing staff lacking in confidence playing for a guy who has no inspirational man management skills, dead handed Yanks at the tiller with no cash but determined to screw every penny from their "investment" and certainly no money to put in in the forseeable future..........for any top Manager, Liverpool FC is quite a poisened Chalice right now. We are in need of an inspirational leader, a knight in shining white armour, a patriot with passion to fire us back into self belief and winning ways, and the balls to take on the challenge come hell or high water. Steven Gerrard could have gone anywhere and won Trophys by the dozen with Joe Mourinho or with SAF, Real Madrid etc but he didnt 'cos he's a Liverpool Lad and wants to do it all with his Home Team Club, its a Tribal thing.. something that the likes of TraitorRooney wouldnt understand in a month of Sundays (Michael Owen dont qualify 'cos he's not from Liverpool, he's just a Cheshire Nob). SG has inspired the Reds many times in the past as a player and I firmly believe he would do it again as a Player/Manager. Stuff yer Klinsmanns, Martin Jols, MON, Avram Grants, Frank Rikjards.....just bring on Steven and lets get up and at'em!

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