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  • Jason Jason Oct 1, 2010 04:28 Flag

    What's the Standard Anymore?

    It's one thing for the manager to think this to himself, or even declare this, had it been a youthful side and full of reserves, but that wasn't the case. This was nearly a full regular 11, and although maybe Utrecht are a good team and they were at home in bad conditions, Liverpool were unorganized, poor, sloppy and lethargic. I can't put it any other way, and those of you who read my posts know I'm generally very positive, but this isn't Fulham anymore and it's not good enough. It could have been a 4-0 defeat to be fair

    Torres speaks English very well so I'd imagine he can read it just fine too, so not only is he showing his frustration which is affecting his form from the lack of support and good play, it's now out there from his manager to read. It's negative and unambitious talk, plain and simple. A player of his caliber, Euro and World Champion, who has ambitions of winning trophies in the EPL along with a terrific captain like Gerrard should not have to endure or settle for this. To me, these comments are unacceptable and suggests every week a draw, or good effort away are enough. I'm legitimately worried about Blackpool these days. A team with nothing to lose has everything to gain at Anfield!

    Roy on the result vs Utrecht:
    "It was a good point. We knew it was going to be a tough game. The occasions when they created some chances were largely of our own making. They were the result of unfortunate individual errors. I thought the shape of the team and the way we approached the game - I can have nothing but praise for my team."

    "So it's a good point to take back to Liverpool. Four points out of two games. It's the first time we haven't won one of these games but to be honest it would have been unfortunate for them if we'd won the game tonight. They would have felt hard done by. For me, a draw was a more than satisfactory result."

    10 games was my goal to reserve judgement, though I'm having a tough time with that. Other than Meireles (who's been around a month) nobody should be unsettled or lacking match fitness, or understanding of what to do. Fulham and Aston Villa were under much worse circumstances than we were and they are doing OK. Even Wigan has managed to keep a clean sheet and beat a top 4 side ! Ok, I'm done, needed to get that out of my system.. Any good news ?

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    • If it wasn't for Reina's great saves Liverpool could have easily lost all their matches this season.

      Against Utrect they were extremely lucky this wasn't another defeat - Reina's saves and Carragher pulling players down in the box (as usual).

      I think we will beat Blackpool at Anfield, maybe 1-0 or it could easily end up like the Sunderland match with Gerrard saving Liverpool.

      Sigh

    • WTF !! Hodgson is prepared to accept a draw !! Thats what I don't like about his style.. We used t have the attitude a win was all that mattered and we'd grind and fight for nothing less.. Since Benitez & Hodgson.. we've just settled for a draw.. As thats ok!! Well Hodgson a draw isn't good enough.. LFC used to be the team that put fear in to our rivals.. Now we're toothless and clawless with no bite..

      Sad times atm being a LFC fan..

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      • Sad thing is, as negative as Benitez often approached most matches, he still came out with an odd guarantee of a win here and there, and even produced victories against the man u or spurs when everyone doubted them...

        If Roy doesn't believe in himself then he certainly can't believe in his players which is demoralizing, especially considering 3 of them are his purchases/signings and the rest established more or less..

        Every team needs a leader, on the field there's no doubt Gerrard is that embodied by everything he says and does, but he can't lift up morale when it's imprinted into everyone's head week in week out.

    • I fear that my worst fears are slowly being made to manifest; we are slowly but surely being programmed to possess the mid-table, average mentality and start having expectations to match.

      If i were Torres, i would have seen this and definitely be planning to shift this winter. Waiting till next summer is just way too far away, the way things are going.

    • Not really Jason - pretty much sums up the mood. The lack of activity on here nowadays probably gives a good indication about the way it is too.

      What makes it even more galling 'bigger picture' wise is the unconvincing/inconsistent displays by Man Utd & Arsenal early on too - but if we can't get shots on target, never mind score in a game, then it's going to be a very long season.

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      • Well, obviously though I'm across the pond you can see I'm pretty passionate about the club and I have a great appreciation for all the great memories I've endured in my short time as a supporter (02/03), and the history of the club but I can't fathom what you all must be going through. So, please understand when I go on a rant like that, I'm speaking as if I'm lecturing the team like I would to my own NFL football team, even though nobody can hear me except fellow posters. My post was not negative, just realistic, I can't put band-aids on broken bones anymore. Is it the manager, or is it the players? I just don't know..

        I will follow up with some few good positives and take them into our thumping of Blackpool Sunday. Pepe was very sharp, perhaps his best game yet? Glen, who I've personally been slating lately, really got forward and showed form like early last term, FINALLY. Kelly did well at LB, Torres seemed to show some bits and pieces of his brilliance, but lacks that final touch and Meireles is showing to be a very good purchase, though in speaking to Portuguese friends, he is being terribly mis-used, which bothers me.. He should be a much more athletic Alonso. At this point there's no harm in pairing Meireles/Gerrard in the center, both can tackle and track back decent enough and not every team in EPL or Europe uses a def mid, especially not at home!!

        I have no such good words anymore for Lucas, he has to go, I'll pay his plane ticket. Poulsen below avg at best, sadly Carragher is just all over the place at the back, lucky not to give a pk, and both Cole/Kuyt need to find a proper role and contribute more than just hard work rate. It also doesn't say very much that babel/jovanovic can't even get a minutes time when wide play is non existent, and was Pacheco in the squad?