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Actually Jason, your argument based on what Roy has achieved (or not achieved) is valid, and I think something myself and others put forward back before he was given the job. However the counter argument many threw back at me, and others who were still trying to support Rafa, was that Roy is better motivator of players, and is proven to make average players better, so I assumed they felt he'd make good players great, and great players like Torres and Stevie incredible. However I think that is what is currently going up in smoke!
Although I agree with you (if this is the point you’re making in your last statement) that bringing yet another manager now, at least until the ownership issue is sorted, is not going to do much to help us. Anyone who's got the tactical ability to get more out of the team is just not going to come IMO, so all that leaves is someone able to motivate, and if Roy the inspiration of Fulham’s escape can't do it, who can?
Dalglish maybe an option, but best case he'll be able to settle the ship, but will likely be pushed aside once new owners come in as they won't want someone with that much fan power behind them (same reason Rafa was pushed IMO), but worst case simply because we'd be dealing him such an awful hand, he'll fail, and the reputation of a great servant of our club, and my own childhood hero, will be dragged through the mud for no good cause.
Yes, Dsteer I think you and I are on the same page. The jist of what I'm saying, or speculating is that at the time, Rafa had to be bought out, there wasn't money to be spent to bring in the marquee man we craved, Hodgson's stock soared, probably well above his ceiling, and he was the safest pick, becaues of the uncertainty over the ownership of the club. I was in favor, like so many others of Kenny as one of my top choices, and ahead of Hodgson, but assuming the board thought they had the owners waiting in the wings who would want to bring in their own man with more money, they could never allow Kenny, everyone's hero to be embarassed and sacked within 5-10 games, unless of course he had us 9-1-1 or some ridiculous record like that. So, my suggestion is that Roy was a medium profile manager, who didn't break the bank and wouldn't hurt too many feelings if he had been sacked after 4-5 games. Ultimately they maybe settled for him, a gamble that something bigger was going to happen and it didn't and now we have Roy, who I think despite anyone's like or dislike of him as a manager will agree he's a wonderful motivator, very well spoken, and has shown in the past he can raise the level of his players. But now, those things seem to be what's not needed and almost as if a Rafa-esque type figure, who has tactical skills and more concerned with results than players feelings is what's needed.
There's a fine line between this whole Rafa / Roy debate, and to be quite honest, based on Roy's record, there is none. I wanted Rafa to go, OR to have his future sorted immediately, given money and an ultimatum to produce the goods or get out. We may very well still have Mascherano and Aquilani, plus signed Jovanovic, Wilson and maybe Joe Cole... Meireles wouldn't be in the equasion, and also who knows what money would have been available. Perhaps under my pretense that he was given 1 more year with a little bit of money and the ultimatum, still having Masch Aquaand a fully fit Torres and Gerrard things might be going better? Who's to know or say.
Bottom line is, Roy did a great job in the summer when we were all nervous about Torres and Gerrard etc., and he did exactly what everyone wanted, change the mood, lift the spirits and rejuvenate everything that had gotten stale around the club. He even did very well in Europe early on with almost no senior players and things looked like we were headed for a story book season. Since then, we've brought in players, gotten our world cup players and stars back and the performances have gotten worse, and the shocking thing to me is that besides poulsen for mascherano... maybe konchesky vs insua, we have an improved team with former starters on the bench now, and Roy seems like he's lost the ability to figure out his elbow from his head. Maybe this is all in that story book season we're dreaming of, and a slight blip in the road because it has to be said, Roy isn't making the passes, kicking the shots over the goal, and pulling shirts/raising arms in our own box so he isn't completely to blame. He is to blame for them coming out flat every single week with no sense of strategy, style or tactics, and for the back being a complete dissaray. We all thought that loss at Pompey last year, and a 0-0 draw at Wolves were the worst results ever, but Blackpool has potential to be the worst ever, not counting Northampton. Roy at this point, I think, is overwhelmed by the stars in the team and nervous to just let them loose like at Fulham. I'd be willing to bet anything, if he just set up the 11 best players in proper positions and let them play they'd figure it out, but I think he's so scared of them and bad results he's becoming more negative than Rafa ever was even to the point where we're not negative, we're just lost..
DSTEER...at the time u and others were still advocating extending the tenure of Benitez I was campaigning incessantly for the immediate sacking of Benitez and appointment of King Kenny. Have u noticed how many of the IRWT Brigade are now disillusioned with the appointment of Roy and are already calling for his head and ...surprise surprise...are advocating the job be given to GUESS WHO....YES !!! Right first time...KING KENNY.
Shame u are all so behind the door and hadnt all joined in the campaign to appoint King Kenny our new Boss back when u all KNEW he had indeed asked for the job. But no it was all..... :KK has been out of the game too long and should reaquaint himself with mangement else where first before taking over at Anfield.: Maybe we wouldnt have been in the predicament we find ourselves in right now if theIRWT Brigade hadnt been so shortsighted or should I say BLIND where the issue of KK FOR BOSS was concerned. However feel I have to be patient and see if Roy can turn things arounfd given a chance to implement his ideas out on the training ground though if I have to bet on it would say Roy's tenure is liely to be short lived though personally Im happy to see himor anyone or anything as Boss at our club rather than that cretin Benitez.