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  • Jason Jason Oct 24, 2010 08:59 Flag

    Roy's Blueprint for Winning v Blackburn

    I can't take anymore of his ridiculous comments. If he has us up in the top 3 and in contention for things, he could say whatever he wanted, but this just stinks:

    "What I am hoping for is a little bit of luck so the result goes our way - whether we play well or we play badly - and that we give ourselves a bit of breathing space in order to start rebuilding and try to move up the table rather than constantly finding ourselves marooned at the wrong end."

    So, basically he's stating beforehand that it's ok to underperform, and in fact play poorly, possibly get a lucky win from an own goal or a deflection and that will be a great result and send this team flying to the top! He sounds like he's medicated. And, to think just 1 win is going to immediately give us tremendous breathing room is hardly the target to strive for, we're still -6 in goal differential, so unless they plan on winning 8-0, a win is expected and a good result nothing more.

    When Roy gets us on a 4-5 game unbeaten streak then he can talk about luck and breathing room, but I can't even take this stuff with a grain of salt anymore... even Rafa with his facts sheets never sounded so ludicrous

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    • I like nothing better than a solidly argued point of view that takes all the factors into consideration. Yes, Hodgson has to go (should never have been appointed) & the following link puts it beautifully (the link from The Daily Post in North Wales from Woy was good too):

      http://tomkinstimes.com/2010/10/end-of-an-error-why-roynv -has-to-go/

    • hodgson has lost the plot im telling you

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      • What manager in the EPL, or for that matter, any sanctioned league in the world says it's ok before a match to play badly, hopefully get a little luck, and take a positive result from it?

        Avram Grant didn't say things like that with Portsmouth being completely bankrupt facing certain relegation, and still miraculously took them to the FA Cup Final.

        Even Mick McCarthy was pissed off his team didn't play even better than they did and get some sort of result @ Stamford Bridge. I watched that match, and they gave Chelsea a handful for nearly 80 minutes, and with just a little bit of quality could have gotten a draw or snatched a win. Roy would be satisfied with a 6-0 defeat..

    • But he did come out & criticize the club & manager publicly on more than one occasion alienating himself with the fans , really there was no way back for him after that .

      Also we don't know how difficult he is to work with behind the scenes or how much he was trying to engineer yet another move for himself , to date he has been here , there & everywhere .

      Fair weather players like that we dont need & as a rule foreign players are only here to pick up a pay check & get their new hair do's in the news papers , although in fairness most of the Spanish lads we had under Rafa showed some grit .

      Since the Premier League was formed I cant think of a good foreign player we had apart from Torres & Hypia & both have had bad spells where a less media friendly home nations players would of trumped them with the consistency of their performances if they lacked any in flamboyance which I do not believe they do .

      Yes we have had Rise , Hamman Alonso & have Skrtel & Agger & probably one or two others I'm forgetting but the point remains valid , If we devoted the same amount of time & patience with your granny even she would string a few decent performances together .

      Home grown talent is suffering to accommodate if not averagely talented foreigners definitely average performing foreigners .

    • Funny that you mention zonal marking. I read on Wikipedia about how Hodgson brought zonal marking to Scandinavia & now he's doing man 2 man. The Man City game showed that if we had a zonal marking system in place then Tevez's goal would have been offside.

      I saw enough in the Blackburn game to think that if Hodgson had started the season playing a more high tempo pressing game then we wouldn't be in the mess we are now. As it stands, we might have started to get our attack into gear (although difficult to say after one game) but the defence (Rafa's strong point - how many times did Reina win Golden Gloves?) still needs sorting out.

    • In my opinion Riera like the 21 year old Insua was scapegoated by the boo boys & pseudo fans .

      He is a quality player thats big & strong , brave in the air with a good shot & consistent delivery , he can also turn a game with a clever deft touch or flick .

      However I think we would be better with Downing or Gamst Pederson because of Rieras undeserved unpopularity .

    • The question now is whether Hodgson has managed the start of a turnaround in belief. One positive result at home doesn't necessarily mean the creative attacking elements of the team have been released, it could just be down to the genius of Torres being in the right place. I'll be interested to see:

      1. How we do away from home after the Blackburn result (Bolton);
      2. How we do against the next Premier League powerhouse (Chelski).

    • Hey, like I said I'm not doing any cartwheels nor should anyone else. That's 18 straight wins over Blackburn at Anfield and every season, year in year out that should be expected.

      Having said this, it had to be the best collective performance other than maybe 10 men vs Arsenal without Torres.

      This win still keeps us in the bottom and we should have won at least 6-0, instead we were in a frenzy trying to hold 2-1 at the end, and a team like Bolton with 2 huge strikers in Davies and Elmander, and decent midfield play could easily nick that back. The team needs to carry out the first 75 minute performance for 90+ and finish all their chances.

      I don't think Torres goal was luck, he was constantly causing issues in the box, and conversely Cole was sending in alot of good balls finally. Before even thinking about Chelsea, Liverpool need to play full throttle like this and win emphatically vs Bolton and then Napoli to really get confidence high. 3 Wins on the bounce and nothing less can be accepted going in the match vs Chelsea, but I have to be naive and not even look that far at all.

      I can't overlook Bolton, and let's even keep fingers crossed for full health this week in training. I'm looknig for a 4-0 or 5-1 type result. Bolton are a half decent side but still it's LFC standard to double them every season, simple as that..

    • In a 4 4 1 1 Cole would be more suited to playing behind Torres than G but dont forget Cole has won numerous leagues playing on the wing in 4 1 4 1 & 4 3 3 modifications .

      On top of that G & Torres are a proven 50 + goal partnership playing the 4 2 3 1 formation & using it on Sunday G bossed the game again & Torres both scored & looked like trouble again .

      Fact is Hodgson is out of his depth , he would need a complete squad overhaul & then 2 or 3 years minimum to place a squad together of playing his systems before we could hope to challenge for silverware & none of our senior internationals respect him so I cant see how that would change after 2 or 3 years blundering along happy with mid table .

    • I think perhaps Roy's biggest fault, whether he's out of his depth or not, was he came in and tried to re-invent the wheel while inheriting a largely intact side with some improved signings and much classier players.

      I don't think the squad Rafa left was so bad as people think, and in fact it was weakened with the loan deals of Aquilani, Insua and sale of Riera who could have been given another lease on life. Unfortunately it was too late to save Yossi, I can only imagine how much better things would be with him assuming he never got hurt, playing on the right wing... sigh.

      Roy to his credit, did a very good job rejuvenating and bringing life and energy to the players who became "disenchanted" and brought them all back enthused, but tried to impose different things, when maybe just a tweak here and there was needed.

      Nonethless, we have a chance to get 2 on the bounce, but like I said I am by no means overlooking Bolton at the Reebok, they are solid. I know in years past this was an afterthought for LFC and many clubs, but they've cause many top sides trouble this season so that holds no water. Blackburn was 1, now keep the new energy going..back to basics, press high up, pass and move, shots on target, crosses in the box, break up play in the midfield and play happier and more freely.. That was the MO @ Fulham..

    • I think perhaps Roy's biggest fault, whether he's out of his depth or not, was he came in and tried to re-invent the wheel while inheriting a largely intact side with some improved signings and much classier players.

      I don't think the squad Rafa left was so bad as people think, and in fact it was weakened with the loan deals of Aquilani, Insua and sale of Riera who could have been given another lease on life. Unfortunately it was too late to save Yossi, I can only imagine how much better things would be with him assuming he never got hurt, playing on the right wing... sigh.

      Roy to his credit, did a very good job rejuvenating and bringing life and energy to the players who became "disenchanted" and brought them all back enthused, but tried to impose different things, when maybe just a tweak here and there was needed.

      Nonethless, we have a chance to get 2 on the bounce, but like I said I am by no means overlooking Bolton at the Reebok, they are solid. I know in years past this was an afterthought for LFC and many clubs, but they've cause many top sides trouble this season so that holds no water. Blackburn was 1, now keep the new energy going..back to basics, press high up, pass and move, shots on target, crosses in the box, break up play in the midfield and play happier and more freely.. That was the MO @ Fulham..

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