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  • Jason Jason Sep 22, 2011 03:47 Flag

    10 Things post Brighton..

    10. Suarez and Bellamy form a very formadiable, quick partnership up top, well done.
    9. Bellamy was for me, MOM, lots of pace, nice touch, creativity and a finisher. Unlucky not to net a brace.
    8. If Martin Kelly stays healthy, he boosts the entire back 4, both the right side and assitance in the box.
    7. Coates showed alot of promise and some good plays, but some learning and experience is needed.
    6. Maxi still should be a well used sub, found himself in some good positions with clever movement.
    5. Kuyt, we all love the guy, but I think he needs to feature as a 2nd/3rd striker and not at rw anymore, except when we're lacking depth at RB.
    4. In just under 20 minutes, Captain 8 showed how much his presence alone can calm the midfield down. He's much needed.
    3. We need to find someone, whether in the squad, reserves, or come January to compete as a rw. We seem very unbalanced in comparison to our left now..
    2. I think it's fair to say that the club (and we) may and could start drawing up names for another #9 come January. I thought for certain Andy would start, let alone play.. worrisome regardless of age, promise and all that nonsense.
    1. We need just something else to the squad, a creative spark, dribbling, trickery, pace (Suarez/Bellamy aside). Again could it be a Sterling, Silva or Coady from reserves or in January?

    * The team came out very fast and were all over them and can say they should have well and truly been out of sight, perhaps 4-0 by halftime, but sometimes the ball bounces the wrong way. They showed resillience in the second half under constant pressure, but have ALOT to work on. Wolves on their day have proven for 3 years now they can we a well drilled, organized unit and shock anyone on any given match day.

    Anyhow, on to the next round with Kelly and Stevie back in the fray.. I take a decent amount of good over bad from this one based on chances created and run of play over 90".

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    • Good points Jason.

      How do you find Carra? Was he a good captain in the absence of Superman 8? Is he good enough to be a sure choice to start ahead of Skrtel, Agger and Coates for the CB position?

      Not counting the match against Exeter, prior to this match against Brighton, we won only one away match that was against Arsenal. We did not play very well then either. Compared to the away game yesterday at Brighton, our performance was so much better, possibly because it was a League Cup match. I really hope the return of Superman 8 can stable the ship this weekend at home against Wolves, to re-boost the team spirit. The real test will come on Oct 1, at Goodision Park.

      Do we really need another RW, though Kuyt is not really good? Bellamy is not a wide wide winger but he can play on either side and still generate the threat for his pace. Maxi's clever moves can be on both left and right. Downing can do that also. If we can have Pacheco back, he is equally good. Back to your question, I feel Maxi and Downing can be a better pair ahead of playing Kuyt on the right.

      Carroll has to improve a lot to earn his starting position. I like to see Bellamy starting for LFC this weekend against Wolves.

      Susa is a very trikery dribbler. When will he be ready to come to the bench?

    • Seems to me players these days don't like competing for places they just whine and request a transfer....

      Torres & Meireles & Owen, Crouch spring to mind..

      Seems to me that if Carroll gets direct competition for his shirt he'll do the same..

    • Re looking for a new number 9, I think if Carrol's goals against Arsenal and Sunderland had not not been disallowed for soft pushes on defenders we wouldn't be any where near having this conversation right now. I thought he would play too, game time is what he needs. I always thought he could play football and not just the target man people paint him out to be, but I I have to admitt I have not seen to much evidence of that in his performances for Liverpool. I also think that Downing is very effective on the RW but another like him would definatly be a good idea.

    • Re looking for a new number 9, I think if Carrol's goals against Arsenal and Sunderland had not not been disallowed for soft pushes on defenders we wouldn't be any where near having this conversation right now. I thought he would play too, game time is what he needs. I always thought he could play football and not just the target man people paint him out to be, but I I have to admitt I have not seen to much evidence of that in his performances for Liverpool. I also think that Downing is very effective on the RW but another like him would definatly be a good idea.

    • Few counter points below:

      10. Suarez and Bellamy form a very formadiable, quick partnership up top, - yes but I can see them do better. Couple times the timing was not perfect, but I'm sure it will get better

      9. Bellamy was for me, MOM, lots of pace, nice touch, creativity and a finisher. Unlucky not to net a brace. - agree

      8. If Martin Kelly stays healthy, he boosts the entire back 4, both the right side and assitance in the box. - agree

      7. Coates showed alot of promise and some good plays, but some learning and experience is needed.- not as impressed as you I'm afraid. Looked nervy and some big mistakes made, but young and think he'll learn from the experience.

      6. Maxi still should be a well used sub, found himself in some good positions with clever movement. - agree, but he's not a natural winger and came inside a lot. He relies on technique not pace, so he has a place in the squad, but its a limited role imo

      5. Kuyt, we all love the guy, but I think he needs to feature as a 2nd/3rd striker and not at rw anymore, except when we're lacking depth at RB. - can't fully agree with this. I'd like to see some competition for him, but still see him as our best option on the right, especially in a 3 man front like how we ended the match.

      4. In just under 20 minutes, Captain 8 showed how much his presence alone can calm the midfield down. He's much needed. - agree. Doubt from post match comments he'll start at the weekend, but good to see him progressing back into the squad.

      3. We need to find someone, whether in the squad, reserves, or come January to compete as a rw. We seem very unbalanced in comparison to our left now.. - if the right player is out there I have not problem with giving Kuyt more competition. However I don't see it as a priority. Our problem has been our right flank has not looked as good at the left, but that is not all down to Kuyt. Playing CB's as RB's is part of it, and with Kelly linking up with Kuyt last night, I think we saw more normal service returned.

      2. I think it's fair to say that the club (and we) may and could start drawing up names for another #9 come January. I thought for certain Andy would start, let alone play.. worrisome regardless of age, promise and all that nonsense. - sorry can't agree jury still out. I had hoped he'd play, but think KK wanted Belamny to get those minutes instead. He's not flash like Suarez, but that is not his style, but think about the marginal decisons that have denied him goals this term, and think we'd be singing his praises as joint top scorer if they'd gone the other way. Just repeat what the gaffer has said, he was bought for 5 years, not 5 minutes. Patience my son.

      1. We need just something else to the squad, a creative spark, dribbling, trickery, pace (Suarez/Bellamy aside). Again could it be a Sterling, Silva or Coady from reserves or in January? - I think what we're looking for is a playmaker. Adam should take that role, or Gerrard. I think Spearing and Lucas did a good job last night, but they are neat and tidy, but not cut and thrust with movement or passing.

      • 2 Replies to dsteer_lfc_68
      • Dave,

        Re Carroll: I understand the fact he's considered a long term purchase with a 5 year deal, totally get it and when I think positively of him and the upside, I hate to slate him and come 3 years from now if he's banging in 20-25 goals I'll be as delighted as anyone else. But, the question is in lieu of him being the future, he is our 35M #9 meant to lead the line, so what about the now? I'm just being realistic with him and the situation. Chelsea, Man City, Fail Madrid, Barca and even to an extent United can afford to have a 25-35M player sitting or playing here and there, but we cannot. I also get the fact he's only in his second season in the EPL, but keep in mind, he did play a decent amount as a 20 year old under Shearer as they desperately batted relegation, and I recalled thinking this kid's gonna be really good. I think he finished w 4 or 5 goals in the run-in. He then dominated in the Championship, and continued last season until injury, so it's fair to say last year was cut short due to injury and lack of fitness. Having said that, after the wake of Capello's comments about Andy and his lifestyle/fitness, Kenny gave a presser shortly after, and I don't think he's ever been more angered or animated that I've seen, as he said "Who know's hist fitness? We know his fitness. Andy knows his fitness. I'd put his fitness up against any player in the squad".

        Obviously KK was coming to the defense of his player, a young one and a high priced one, but either way the facts don't lie. I'll have to refer to my stats that I was keeping, but in approximately 11 games (give or take 1-2) that Andy Carroll has started, the team has scored 8 goals. 8! Do you, or anyone else on this board feel comfortable if Suarez is hurt, perhaps Bellamy unavailable and Carroll/Kuyt our only options? I sure as hell don't. For what it's worth, while he didn't work out well for us, being the same age with maybe less natural ability, David Ngog has about 26 goals or so, only going on 23 with room to bulk up. In that regard, Carroll looks pedestrian.

        And, I know he got bad calls against him in 2 matches with disallowed goals, but that happens to alot of players, particularly the bigger stronger Strikers like Drogba, Torres, Davies and others, so we can't really play the what if game. In the event we could play what if, seeing everything now, I'd say what if we never sold Torres in the first place, stayed firm like Spurs/Modric, and now we'd have one of the most lethal Combos up top in Suarez/Torres with the addition of the new faces and a formation that accomodates the Spaniard, not to mention when he left he had scored 5 goals in 4 games under KK and the team is built around that front man with good service..

        Also, when I say draw up a list of names, I mean to keep that in perspective, not talking Cavani, Pato, Neymar, and those types, just perhaps simply someone within reason in the 10-15m dollar range which could be had for the money Raul got us. Come January, if this situation hasn't changed, and Suarez starts to break down, it will become a real problem and I can tell you from the way Henry operates here in the states with the Red Sox, and being a winner, he will want something done. And to conclude this all, I'm not suggesting sell Andy by the way.

      • Maybe then Kenny will pick Suarez & Bellamy as a partnership then Kuyt with Carroll.. as another..

        That could work..

        On my previous point..

        I was just airing a thought that maybe players get stroppy, and request transfers. Cos they can't be arsed to compete for places, and assume that their place is assured?


        On Meireles he may well claim that promises weren't kept thats why he went.. Sounds like sour grapes to me, and use any excuse..

        Just like Torres claiming he went cos he wanted to go to a bigger club.. well maybe bigger in terms of budget but not bigger in history and pedigree..

    • I didn't see a great deal of the match as Valencia v Barcelona looked more interesting (and was), and I don't like Craig Bellamy. But what I would like to say is that Bellamy's free-kick in the first half from two miles out that hit the cross-bar was awesome. If it had been a couple of inches lower it should have been goal of the season.


      Robert

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      • Bob, it was a great strike, he definitely has that in the locker, I remember his debut for Cardiff, he had argued with the ref about a tackle he just received, he won a free kick then got booked for arguing, finished his row then blasted the almost identical free kick into the top corner.

        The forwards we played in Bellamy, Kuyt, Suarez and Maxi just oozed class with movement and touch, kinda wondering how they arent all starting for us!

    • Nothing wrong with wanting success and winning right? Afterall, I'm a Yankees fan, seen 6 World Series Titles and 9 League Titles in my time on this planet... Maybe my impatience will finally come good in RED!