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Not sure how true this story is, but if it is would it not make sense to offer Chelsea the 20 million and get Torres back. Granted he left in acrimonius circumstances but the reason there was so much ill-feeling was because we adored the guy. Getting him back at this price basically implies that they would have given us 30 million pounds for no reason what so ever. His combination with Suarez would be a match made in football fantasy heaven.
I doubt it would happen though but there is no harm in dreaming and hoping, especially with the way our strikeforce is misfiring at the moment. Who knows Chelsea might even accept 10 million plus Andy Carroll, now that would be killing two birds with no stone at all.
Blimey - how fickle are you lot? First you love him, then he dares gets transferred away and he's public enemy number one and you couldn't wait to get rid of him all of a sudden, then a sub-moronic newspaper makes up a story about him conceivably moving on again and you all start wa^H^H salivating about having him back.
Make up your minds!
And if anyone wants a bet that he'll move on in the next couple of transfer windows, let me know. I don't see him going anywhere any time soon.
- 3 Replies to Robert M
I would bet anything he will be going nowhere come January, when he does leave, it will be back to Spain I am sure. I bet Barca and Madrid would have him all day long.
Anelka is gone 1st Jan, thats done. Drogba is rumoured to want out in Jan too which I think is unlikely but he will be of to the Afrocup along with Kalou and Mikel which leaves Chelsea with just the 2 out and out strikers in Fernando and the unfavoured Lukaku.
If anything, they will be bringing in a striker and I wouldnt be suprised to see them move for a quicker centre half to allow AVB to play his 'defend on the oppositions 18 yard box' tactic.
Football is a fickle business Robert, one moment Anceloti was winning the double for you guys and the next moment you were firing him. As they say there is a thin line between love and hate, the moment someone you love betrays you, you hate them, but if you decide to forgive them then you love them back again. That is just how it is.
The biggest thrill would be getting Torres back and keeping 30 million quid of Roman's ill-gotten gains. And then having Torres scoring against them in the return match at Anfield.
It is obviously not going to happen, but there is no harm in dreaming, is there?
Colin, ever heard of the word, FORGIVE?
Firstly Robert , the majority of liverpool fans that I know would not want torres back.
I wouldnt want him back not based on ill feeling but because he is not worth the 25 mil we would probably have to pay.
And I agree I dont see him leaving chelsea as I dont see the club sanctioning a bid that would lose them 20 plus mill and you wouldnt get anyone prepared to offer anything near abramovich's 50m.....if they did though you would be snatch there hand off.
Lets buy a striker who is down to rock bottom moral wise and is miss firing. He would be hated by a large amount of the crowed just to make him feel better lol.
So get rid of one striker who really hasn't played enough. For another striker who ain't on form either. Lets all be glad that Mel isn't the boss : )
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I understand your views Andrew but the saying "form is temporary but class is permanent" would seem to be tailor made for Torres. As you have rightly pointed out the guy is suffering a dip in form but he is still a classy player, with the right management and right atmosphere there is no reason he cant regain his sharpness in front of goal. Carroll on the other hand may display good form once in a while but there is no denying that compared to Torres he is a no-hoper.
Torres would not be the first "prodigal son" to come back so to speak, Ian Rush had a dreadful year at Juve but when he came to us continued scoring like he had never left. Who knows Torres might just do the same. And if we get him for 20million it would be like we had loaned him to Chelsea for 30 million pounds. The thing is we are creating chances by the bucketful and with Torres in the side some of those easy chances may just get converted.
As I said in my post there is very little chance this could happen but I am sure that I am not the only fan who wishes it would, just like you are not the only one Andrew who does not want it to happen.
It's just a thought,
Got to agree with you here Andrew. I know the argument that Torres is a great player just going through a purple patch, but its one heck of a long dry spell. Remember he was not exactly firing on all cylinders with us last term, has not hit any kind of form with Chelsea, so really has been underachieving for more than a season and a half.
In fact if anyone was to use the "form is temporary while class is permanent argument, then surely the same could be said about Carroll. If Torre's poor form of 18 months is temporary, then since Carroll was firing well with Newcastle before his injury last season (and the season before) then his so called dry patch would look like nothing more than a blip.
While being realistic as others have already said this is highly unlikely to happen as I doubt Chelsea would sell. While Roman may have money to waste I doubt his ego would allow him to effectively pass us 30M. Besides I think unless Chelsea have another striker already lined up to arrive in January, or they have huge faith that Sturridge can be consistent as a lone striker, I think they are looking for Torres to step up in the new year while Drogba is away at the African Cup of Nations.
But it maybe a non starter from our side also. Kenny has made it quite clear that he only wants players who want to be with the club. Personally I would have liked us to keep Meireles, but it seems obvious that as soon as the club knew he wanted a move it was better to cut bait. Its exactly the same with Torres.
Lastly I don't think the so called Suarez/Torres partnership would bear much fruit, even if Torres was to figure out where the goal was. Torres is a needy player who while on form is one of the best natural finishers in the game, needs quality service, and 9 players behind him supporting him. It worked well when Torres had Gerrard or Alonso behind him laying on perfect balls for him to latch onto, and I do think Torres would benefit working with Adam, I don't see looking at playing style a natural collaboration between Luis and Fernando.
Its not going to happen, this is just because he has been benched for the in form Drogba. This is Abramovichs love child, he will be going nowhere. If he was available then I would be delighted, no question but its too many ifs and buts.
- 2 Replies to Hobsey
What many don't seem to realise is football is a business.. It's rare thsat a player these days that a player stays with the same club for the rest of their career..
Whats usual is a player will go where they feel they'll have the most success personally then for the club..
Obviously Torres felt at the time he'd have better success with us when he left Atletico Madrid to come to us.. or wanted a fresh challenge?
Maybe as things stood with us at the time he felt he could only do so much and was looking for a fresh challenge so Chelsea came knocking..
Thing is he didn't know, as it would seem that his style wasn't a good match for Chelsea?
I guess a player only finds out once they get playing for that team..
Despite the emotion some people are showing on here regarding Torres or any player that leaves us for that matter..
Would former players such as Torres fit into our existing set up?
Owen could but he's getting on a bit.. so he'd only be an impact player at best..
As for Torres yes I'd be interested to see how a Suarez / Torres partnership would work..
I imagine Suarez would play deeper behind Torres and supply / create chances for Torres or they'd interchange..
We'd be dangerous to play against, especially since we've probably one of the best midfield /defence in the league..
Just our strikeforce thats weak..