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  • Hobsey Hobsey Feb 21, 2012 14:37 Flag

    Fernando, beyond a silly joke now?!

    It was funny at first watching him not score goals and put in sloppy performances, it helped the pain from his exit. I just cant see what Chelsea have done to him! The guy could score from 35 yards, was dominant in the air and could go past defenders like they were statues. Now the latest is that West Ham tried to take him on loan in January and he got hooked off at halftime against Birmingham reserves!!

    https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/21022012/58/premier-league-west-ham-reveal-torres-offer.html

    It seems he will become available in the summer for a cut price fee and I expect all the big spanish clubs would still have him. I know a lot of you dont like the idea but if we are in the market for a forward, personally, I would love to have him back if we were talking about sub £20m and I would thank Chelsea for seemingly repairing his injury problems.....although it seems they have done so by amputating his legs and sewing on Winston Bogardes.

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    • If it is something permanent, rather than just a long long bad patch, I wonder if he ever fully recovered from the injuries he had a couple of seasons ago, around world cup time. He seemed not to be so good for you after that and before he came to us.

      I certainly haven't given up on him yet but he does need at some point to add goals to his other contribution. He reminds me of Shevchenko - both of them look(ed) like they were running through quicksand.

      I doubt Chelsea will sell him this year. Especially with Anelka gone and Drogba probably going.


      Robert

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      • Many rumours out there, but the one that intrigues me is the rumour that Benitez will soon replace AVB in a bid to kickstart FT's form.
        Whats the thoughts on this?

        Best
        Ed

      • I'm sorry to say I think he's lost it.... for a good length of time before he left us he was like a petulant child who seemed to have no appetite or desire to give it all, he never seemed to have any camaraderie with his fellow players and seemed to be a lone figure in every way. Nothing has changed at Chelsea except that now his true value is being proven, he's no more a 20m striker than he was a 50m striker. A spent force who should only be allowed back if he begs and costs next to nothing!

      • He doesnt look particularly slow when I have seen him play for you lot but he seems to be missing that initial burst in his first step which he used to attack defenders with. Also, he never really had a decent first touch unless it was a shot but he did always have a very nice second touch. I think if Chelsea played Mata through the middle in behind him they would get more out of him as he seemed to relish in that partnership with Gerrard then also the same for Spain when Villa would play off him. Hopefully that wont happen as I have nearly convinced myself that we will be getting him back now :)

    • I'd take back Torres for the right price.. why not? he's worth for 18+ goals a season..

      As for AVB I thought he was contracted for 15 yrs? Or something like that?

      AVB is the brightest prospect manager wise for along time.. Thing is Abramovich is so damn impatient.. at this rate they'll be no top managers he can poach.. As they all know he demands instant success or they're sacked..

    • I'd take a punt on him, as I'm sure we could do worse for a 3rd or 4th choice back up striker!

      Seems to me it’s all about confidence with some players, and especially strikers and Nando is running on empty. So with a little love from Kenny I recon we might be able to get more out of him than AVB has, although he'll have to prove himself on the training pitch if he wants to get starts ahead of Carroll.

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      • dsteer...lets draw a line under the Torres Saga...the man has problems that wont be easily rectified. Kenny must have had his reasons for letting him go to Chelski, good reasons and not just the 50 mill he mugged Abramosonovabitch for. This would not be a return of the Prodigal thing he walked out just like Owen did and should be regarded in the same light as Owen. We dont want players who dont want to be here and we dont want those where there is evidence they didnt want to be here either. Plus the man has lost that initial burst of acceleration over the first couple yards that made him such a devastating force over his first season with us...forget about this guy he aint worth wasting any of the transfer kitty on...Napoli have the man we NEED.

    • Agree with you and defo would have him back, believe he could link up well with Suarez or Carroll.
      Chelsea seem to have taken his confidence maybe the pool was to big and he realises he's not such a big fish yet but needs to grow.

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      • Still support the lad , perhaps foolishly , but he was quality while he was here. I was gutted when he left for Chelsea. Still and all , 50 million reasons to forgive him. It has been shocking to see how lost at sea his career has become. Rather sad really. And yeah , agree totally that Chelsea have misused him. Couldn't care less for them but do feel bad for Fernando. He needs to get out of there but the huge transfer fee kills the deal. Abramovich is a spoilt child. Once he breaks his new toys he eventually discards them. Probably couldn't come soon enough for Torres.

    • I'm begging to come up with a theory here Robert and further to what I put on the other post that seems to have vanished, to do with stability.

      It really does not matter who you bring in, what they've done in the past, or what potential they might have for the future. There just seems to be something broken at the club, and until that changes I don't think anyone can really take Chelsea forward.

      The old joke is Chelsea should not sack another manager but sack the owner instead, but it may have some truth to it. Its not that Roman is a bad owner, most clubs would be blessed to have someone as generous. But I think there is a philosophy that stems from the owners box that creates a real barrier not to short term success, but real progress.

      In some ways you have the opposite ailment to Arsenal. There ownership and management has too much patience thinking if they just follow the same philosophy it will work out eventually. While Chelsea will look to change something at the first hurdle, thinking progress is always a straight line. Seems to me patience is good, but evolution which is what football progress is about is also about adjusting ones philosophy to conditions, rather than chopping and changing at every turn.

      I actually think bringing in Rafa might be the worst thing for you, especially if its on a short term contract. He'll get the team performing better, and might get you back into the top 4, but on a short term contract will have no authority to actually change much or help plan for the future.

      A team built around a core of Terry, Lampard and Drogba maybe good, but its on the decline, while I think you should be focusing on a core around Luis, Mata, and Sturridge. That side might stumble from lack of experience and so fall out of the CL or top 4 now but think could be a real force in time. The question is will AVB or any manager be given time to actually build around them before the current core completely falls apart.

    • I'd have him back at a cut price of about 15 milla. Kenny will make him start ticking again. The last manager he scored regularly for was Kenny and it is my firm belief that the king is the only man the can get him firing again. The battle between him and Carroll for starting berth in the team would do wonders for both player form , methinks.

    • Not just Dave - I still think he was and is a very good manager.

    • Actually Benitez didn't consistently get the better of Mourinho's Chelsea. Go and look at the results between the clubs and you'll find Chelsea won rather more of the games than Liverpool. However, Liverpool did prevail in two CL semis (just) and an FA Cup semi over Chelsea during that time.

      If we're looking for a Liverpool manager who has consistently got the better over Chelsea (and I doubt we are) we'll have to go poaching your current one. If I'm not mistaken his record is 4-0.


      Robert

    • Tonight's result was poor but not yet disastrous. I'm sure roman must be tearing his beard out.

      I do remember you getting to the final again, yes. You beat us in another piss poor semi final. I also remember not so long ago every Liverpool fan (apart from Dave) giving up on Benitez as taking you backwards and you couldn't get rid if him soon enough. Then he failed at inter. Why would big brother see him as our new saviour? No-one else would.


      Robert

    • No, FC would be a great choice if you could persuade him to do it.

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