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It appears Dalglish and Clarke are in Boston for discussions with FSG.
Assume what you will.
I'd just like Jason to pop round and put a glass to the wall and tell us what's going on.
I've a feeling that had we had Abramovich as owner. He wouldn't be dithering..
He'd most likely see the season as a failure and would sack Commolli & Dalgish together..
Seems quite apparent this season has been a disaster.
Aside from the C. Cup..
If FSG feel KD over spent on Henderson, Carroll & Downing then how can they trust KD?
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Would you honestly want Abramovich as an owner? I'm not so sure myself. Ok he's lifted Chelsea into a position where they can and have won trophies but on the face of it the future looks a bit bleak to me unless Abramovich wants to pile even more money in.
It doesn't sit right with me that the marks of Chelsea's succes are Terry, Lampard, Drogba and a few others. Yes they should be remembered and applauded but what happens as they start to decline? The management, club set up, ideals and philosophies are all lost or don't even exist.
Sorry mates, not much time today, have to catch a flight soon but I'll check in when I can.
What I do know for "fact" is that Kenny was in Boston to give us his end of the season review, which is a standard practice for FSG. Obviously, regardless of which side of the "progress" fence you stand on, this one carries more weight than most.
Kenny has since left Boston, (believed to be with Clarke as well) and is now back in the UK, and has 100% as of this moment NOT stepped down as manager nor been sacked..again, as of this moment.
The news here in NY, and where my friend/co founder of our website lives, in Boston, travels extremely fast and truthfully, and as of this moment, all that is known is FSG are expected to make some sort of statement within 24 hours, perhaps as soon as this afternoon/evening depending where you are.
It could be good, it could be bad... it could be anything. Only FSG, LFC and Kenny know... If you want to believe what was said earlier in other threads and posters, there was talk he would be asked to leave.. you could assume that, or you could assume he's staying.. I wouldn't really lose any time or sleep over it at this point because what's done is done..
I really don't want to give a personal opinion on this matter because the only credible source I had with some sort of knowledge sounded bad, but this was weeks ago, as for today.. I just don't know.
Kenny is home and is LFC manager as it stands....
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Oh, just want to add one thing, though this does not give my personal opinion on the matter one way or the other on what's happened or may happen, but need throw cold water all over the assumption they wouldn't fly 10,000 miles to get sacked theory...
Henry, Werner and co., have flown 10,000 miles several times the past 18 months for very short trips, sometimes just 1-2 days, and being the owners it's fair to say they shouldn't or wouldn't have to fly 10,000 miles to deliver the sack, nor would it be appropriate to do it over the phone unless it was some terrible situation with all sorts of unrest, which it's not.
Someone had to fly somewhere.. the owner or the employee, which makes more sense? Again, this does not signify anything, just giving food for thought in regards to that theory..
Makes sense. Back me or sack me so I can enjoy my holiday. And, while I'm away make sure the accountants are working the numbers so I can start working as soon as I get back (or as soon as the new man walks in).
Robert granted it’s been a while since I worked for a business in the UK, so maybe I just have too much of an American outlook here, although, as the owners are American maybe that is the correct outlook for this situation.
Bottom line FSG or any owner cannot be sentimental about who they have working for them. They want results. They are willing to invest to get those results, and don't really care who the manager is so long as he's in their view the best man for the job.
If they trust Kenny they will back him, if they don't they will dispose of him. This middle ground of we're not sure so we're going to keep you but not back you makes no sense.
If you ran a business or had a position of budgetary responsibility and you did not meet your targets I'm sure you'd have a sit down with the owner or boss sooner or later. He'd want to know why you did not meet your targets, and what are your plans are to do better going forward. If they accepted your reasons for the missed targets and felt you had a good plan going forward they’d back you. If they did not, they'd find someone better to replace you with. But why they'd keep someone they did not think had done a good job, are not sure can do a good job going forward, would be a recipe for disaster, even more so if they deliberately decided to cut your budget as well.
There is a saying here, and I'm sure it’s used over there. Don't throw good money after bad. If that is the case Kenny is gone. But then there is another saying, double down. If that is the case Kenny stays, and he gets what he asks for, or as close as FSG feels they can responsibly afford. Your suggestion implies throwing just a little good money after bad. Is that a new British expression I'm not aware of?
From what I had gathered from more 'reliable' sources is that Kenny wasnt ordered out to the states, more so that he requested a prompter meeting. It seems his holiday is booked for tomorrow with his wife. I dont know what that means but its safe to say 'he' wanted something sorted quickly rather then enduring endless media mumblings.
I agree there is a real urgency, so glad we have owners, who would rather talk now rather than later, unlike our dithering board of years past.
Scenario 1 - Kenny is sacked or asked to resign. Conversation happens now giving everyone time to install a replacement and have him recruit who he needs.
Scenario 2 - Kenny stays, tells the owners the good the bad and the ugly of the past season, tells them what he needs, and they start now trying to give him what he asks for, rather than waiting till everyone’s had a nice holiday in the sun, or dithered around with the Euro's and Olympics.
Personally recon the 2nd scenario is more likely, but even if the first, better done quickly than drag it out.
I would think it quite normal over the next week or so that every league manager will be asked to sit down with their chairman and provide a frank report about the season, and set expectations going forward.
The fact our owners happen to be based in Boston meaning KD and SC have to get on a plane mean nothing versus a manager who can just drive across town to have the same conversation.
I'd actually be more worried for any club who did not have face to face meetings between manager and chairman, and instead did it via phone or with an intermediary.
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Slow down. Some of us haven't finished our season yet! How can you expect Chelsea to start this process this week? Give them a chance. RdM won't be getting a phone call telling him he's sacked until at least 10pm on Saturday night, around the time he's picking up his ****** medal.
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