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  • A Yahoo! User May 18, 2012 19:40 Flag

    Welcome back Rafa.........

    If the choice is between Matinez and Rafa, I would go with Rafa. Guys what has Matinez done really to warrant all the hype?

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    • Nevertopthe.. I don't have any desire to fall out with you or any LFC fan.. wer're all in this together as far as I see it..

    • Thing is are FSG considering him?

      I don't think he's on their list?

      I might be wrong?

      However they might be thinking.. "we hired a manager who loves the club, and look where it got us?"

      Meaning KD..
      Obviously thats an assumption...

    • For once Armchair I agree with you, for a foreigner Rafa was the nearest thing to a scouser you could imagine!

      He enveloped himself in LFC, wanted the best for the club and if you needed any proof about what LFC meant to him you only had to see those tears at the memorial and the £96k he left to the cause and Marina Dalglish charity.

      The things he has done after he left he didn't have to do but he did, which was a true sign of the man.

      I'd have him back because I don't care what anyone say's about him towards the end, to achieve what he did with the resources he had was excellent.

      RAFA II - The sequel called - Unfinished Business !

      (Just shave the beard off!)

    • For once Armchair I agree with you, for a foreigner Rafa was the nearest thing to a scouser you could imagine!

      He enveloped himself in LFC, wanted the best for the club and if you needed any proof about what LFC meant to him you only had to see those tears at the memorial and the £96k he left to the cause and Marina Dalglish charity.

      The things he has done after he left he didn't have to do but he did, which was a true sign of the man.

      I'd have him back because I don't care what anyone say's about him towards the end, to achieve what he did with the resources he had was excellent.

      RAFA II - The sequel called - Unfinished Business !

      (Just shave the beard off!)

    • vuvu...WHAT has benitez done since he left us other than plunge the team that Maureen won everything with into the abyss?....Scudetto Italian Cup and ECLC winners with Maureen to ...
      strugglers with benitez at the helm steering them straight at the rocks ...at least Inters owners had the good sense and timing to shitcan the imbecile before he crashed the good ship Inter straight into the rocks !

      • 1 Reply to colin
      • Does Pep Guardiola become a bad manager because he had a bad last season by his lofty standards? Fabio Capelo has an unparalelled record coaching in Italy and Spain. But he had a nightmate of a time with England. Does that make him a bad manager? Recently there is the case of AVB. The list of good coaches/managers who had a bad time sometime in their careers is endless. The same applies to Rafa. From an experience stand point, you can not put Rafa in the same bracket with Brendon Rogers & Matinez.

        Agreed, Rafa had his time and by any standards he did well..... 2 CL finals winning 1, 1 FA Cup, I Super Cup. So lets say Rafa should not come back because his time is past, not because by talking to Matinez we have potentially a better choice.

        I am releaved that FSG are going to talk to a number of candidates....including Laudrup, AVB, Didier Deschamps, Ajax's Frank de Boer and Netherlands coach Bert van Marwijk. Those are candidates whose profiles are more appealing.

        If they chose Matinez, I will back him as an LFC fan hoping that my fears will be proved wrong.

    • I can't help wondering what Rafa might be able to do under the current owners. Having said that, I don't want us to go back there.

      He delivered us 86 league points in his second last campaign.... something that we can only dream about now.

      I'm in two minds about the decision to sack Kenny. On the one hand, I'm gratified that the owners have sent a clear message about where it's priorities lie, and that's where they should be - the LEAGUE. A couple of domestic cup runs shouldn't cloud how far away we are from where their investment in the squad suggests we should be.

      On the other hand though, I fear their ruthlessness will set us back even further going into the new season. The club is in a mess at the moment, vacancies all over the place.

      This next managerial appointment is (I think) one of the most important one they'll have to make in some time. We can't afford to turn into another revolving door like Chelsea. We desperately need stability, from top to bottom.

      And I'm not that enthusiastic about the reported links to AVB. We really need a more experienced head I think.

      • 2 Replies to Anyone But United
      • FSG need to get this right.. However nor can they dither in appointing the next manager... They need to be decisive..

        The transfer window opens soon.. we need to have a man in and get our objectives clear..

        miss out on targets then we're back to square one..

      • but 86 points wasn't enough was it? Rafa, his tactics and his rant resulted in us losing a 13 point lead over United in less than 2 months. Quickly fogotten that is. Rafa is a big no no for me.

        I agree this appointment is so critical. Plenty of people highlighted as targets whch is Ok in a certain way i.e. you weigh up your options etc. but many are also reporting that it's a very scatter gun type approach. There doesn't seem to be any clear direction or plan to it. Apparently they are taking advise from somewhere. Who I've no idea.

    • Rafa is the better coach, but unfortunately the time is not right. I wish we had had Rafa with the current owners, but the reality is that Rafa's lack of personal touch in the locker room can work against him. I honestly believe that Roberto Martinez is a better choice for the future, as he is a breath of fresh air. I will admit that he is a bit of a gamble, but hey... he can't do much worse than Woy or KD.

    • Most managers have not achieved anything until they actually achieve it. Seems to me most are writing Martinez off because he's yet to have a shot at a bigger job.

      I don't know which I'd prefer, and to be honest I'm trying to keep an open mind as one might end up the gaffer. But I'd put it this way.

      Rafa has proven himself on the European stage, and in domestic cup competitions, as well as coming very close in the league, so he'd be a safe choice. Personally I've always wondered what he might do given the resources rather than have funding dry up in the last year of the H&G reign of terror.

      However I'm not a fan of turning the clock back (I actually was unsure it was wise to give the job to Kenny until he was appointed and really only won over when it became clear it was only someone with his stature with the club that could heal the wounds that had opened up last year). But he also divided fans, and that is a problem. No matter how good a tactician he maybe, or how safe a pair of hands, he'd have a tough job winning over a certain section of the kop, and right now we need a manager that all fans can support with an open mind.

      On the other hand Martinez represents a big risk imo. I don't see anything on his CV that rules him out, but he's never done it at a big club so we don't know. Many have said how he sets up team to play the right kind of football, and his style should fit ours. Personally I'd like to go with a younger dynamic manager who could be with us a while and help us build organically as success is not going to come quickly, but if we build right, we could have success for a long period of time. But there is no guarantee's as he could prove unable to operate in a bigger fish bowl.

      So its a choice between Rafa who I think would get us back to the top 4, but may not get us beyond that (he might but he did not in the past) and potentially have fans divided, or pick Martinez who could be great, but could just as easily fail at the first hurdle.

      • 2 Replies to dsteer_lfc_68
      • Do you think Martinez would convert us to 3-4-3 then? I personally love that formation, but its a dangerous one and I'm not sure I would like LFC to play that way. You'd win games 4-3!

        Anyway, I am finding myself more open to the thought of AVB coming. After all, he had one cr@p year at Chelsea, but his boss was a guy who sacked Ancelotti after he had done a league and cup double for crissakes! Its a shame PSG got hold of Ancelotti because he would be top of the tree for me if he was available.

        The Echo reckon we should go for Mourinho - who I consider to be the best manager in the world for what he's done in such a short space of time, that would be great but obviously totally unrealistic. He only leaves clubs after winning the CL so he has unfinished business at Real. Apparently Hiddink is leaving Machakhala(?) he wouldn't be a bad choice either.

        I think that the project is too great to take on a manager who has had no real previous success. These Americans have shown that you have a year or your out. I fear no continuity for our immediate future...we'll see I guess.

        The transfer window opens in 2 weeks though, Euros in 2 weeks, we need our new gaffer in before then really or he is going to have no time at all to prepare for the new season.......if that happens we are in for a long winter guys!

      • Can someone tell me why liverpool are overlooking Louis Van Gaal who is better that Benitez might I add?

    • No contest Rafa everytime if it were a choice between the 2..

      However as I understand it Rafa anint one of the candidates? Unless he's on a reserve list?

      • 1 Reply to LFC_Armchair_Supporter
      • Rafa hell no....why do the fans seem to forget that it was under HIS WATCH the team began to falter in the final season, because of HIS SHORT-SIGHTIDNESS that liverpool failed the 2008/09 season when it was their best chance in getting the title, because Rafa never thought what it means to have a strong squad, not solely reliant on Gerrard and Torres

        Apparently there were even some members of the team who had a rift with him...

        Look what he did at Inter-Milan, virtually wiped all that was good when Mourinho was there, how can Benitez loyalists forget that....

    • Martinez has done nothing. Rafa gave me some great memories, and if it wasn't for Arshavin scoring 4 we might have won the title - but he had his shot.

      77 players came and went during Rafa's reign, and he did spend a sh*load of money. Do you want that again? Do you not remember the cr@p that was served up during his last season? I know he had a lot going on at the club, and to be fair the conditions he was working under were atrocious, but I really think his time has come and gone.

      Also, the owners have had one ex-manager already, they definitely want to break with the past, I have more chance of slipping a fatty to Pamela Anderson (again!) than Rafa returning.

      • 1 Reply to Loki
      • While I agree with you that Rafa's time came and went, my question still is what has Matinez done to warrant the hype? Why are we not looking at Martin Jol for example? His Fulham ended the season with the same points as us. Allan Padew did wonders with newcastle...........though past experience indicate that he could be damaged goods. Paul Lambert did better that Matinez during the past season. My concern is that we will be looking at replacing him again after 1 season when we end the season fighting relegation......