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  • Hobitez Hobitez May 21, 2012 15:21 Flag

    Managerial situation

    I didnt really know how to title this thread without it mingling with the already congested pile. My point is one of less worry then most people are showing. So far we have seen Brendan Rodgers, Jurgen Klopp and Franck De Bouer rule themselves out of the post. Honestly, were any of these high on your agendas?!

    Klopp has credentials, no doubt but hes as much of a gamble as anyone, if we were to recruit someone on the back of the season just passed then surely Rene Girard is the best candidate available. Who? I hear you asking, it took a quick google search for me to find out the name of Montpelliers gaffer. How have they managed to muscle in on a Dubai inspired PSG, a Hazard fuelled Lille or the giants Marseille and Lyon? One of their best players couldnt get in Portsmouths first team. He must have got something pretty right down there though.

    As good an option as he might sound I wouldnt pick him, would you?! You may have seen in the last few weeks that Guardiola and Capello have ruled themselves out of the Chelsea job but not a sniff has been said about LFC despite them both being heavily linked, it doesnt mean we will get either but it suggests (at least at this stage) that they are interested. Sometimes whats not said is more important then what is.

    Do not fret about the pussy that is Brendan Rodgers bottling a job interview, he did the same when linked with Chelsea earlier in the season citing 'he was trying to build his career not destroy it'. As far as I can see he was a flop at Reading then came in and carbon copied the regime left in place by Roberto Martinez a few years ago.

    My feeling toward the interview process is that FSG have a very specific plan for the new manager to undertake as it looks like they want a first team coach not a 'general manager'. The fact that they arent appointing a man based on video clips, wikipedia stats and reputation could well be a good thing and that they want to talk to lots of people and then make a decision shouldnt really be frowned upon. we are just that impatient with our team that we want an answer today even if it means we will be shouting for his head in 6 months time, lets just relax and judge FSG on their appointment once its made.

    then we can start complaining about transfers!

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    • I think that's about right.

      Probably why Rodgers quashed rumours about Chelsea with his "I'm trying to build a career not destroy it" quote.

    • Lol, very good Robert. The center stage in the rodeo is a great line. Not sure you’re talking about the award winning bull rider, or maybe the rodeo clown?

      But I got to ask why the desire to bring in Guadiola then? Yes he gets results, which is the first prerequisite for the survival of a Chelsea manager (make sure he does not fall off!), but surely his main appeal is the eye pleasing football everyone raves about when they talk about Barca.

    • I suspect any manager whose priority is to have a team play a certain way, whatever that way is, would be best advised to have Chelsea as number two or lower on his "clubs I want to manage" list.

      Managing chelsea is less being the horse whisperer and more like taking centre stage in the rodeo.


      Robert

    • I do actually agree with you, as I said way up the thread, which you questioned, not having a manager, especially during a quiet period such as between the end of the season and the opening of the transfer window, or even now when most are more focused on sitting on a beach, or the Euros, is not critical to a club. Daily business can continue with the existing staff, and the bigger decisions where a manager would weigh in can wait.

      But I'm not sure I agree 100% with what I think your saying in terms of the lack of need for a manager at Chelsea in general. Yes your squad is not as old as many in the press like to claim, although key members of your squad are reaching a critical age where decisions on their future need to be made. But stating it as a need for an overhaul would be overstating things.

      However, it seems to me the last number of managers (I forget the count) since Jose with the exception of AVB have basically followed the same formula. Of course that makes sense when you have a system that works and is ideal for the players on hand. However, it seems clear to me that AVB had the brief to change that system, which he tried by playing a high line, and trying to center the team on younger players like Mata rather than Lampard.

      What the new man (or the existing man's) brief will be we don't know. It maybe to continue with the same system that got you the CL prize, but might also be to develop a more possession based attacking style of play. If Roman is really trying to bring Pep in one would have to assume he's also after that latter system. You may not need many players, but you'll need those players coming in to be well suited for which ever system the manager plans. It may additionally decide which players are surplus to requirements and which are not.

      Personally I think there is still plenty of time as the window has only just opened, and I doubt we'll see many transfers before the end of the Euro's, at least of the caliber of players I'd assume you'd be shopping for. Those players most likely are in Poland or the Ukraine right now. But the more business that is done before a manager is brought in the more hamstrung that manager will be in terms of setting up a system.

      Additionally it may impact who you will get as a manager. I'd assume any prospective manager will be looking at a range of factors before making a decision from what he's going to get paid, how much money and control he has to re-shape the team, and who does he have on hand. When a candidate looks at Chelsea I'm sure he'll think he'll have a stable of very good players on hand (and not all over or approaching the hill) but are they the players best suited for the system he'd ideally like to implement.

    • Given the frequency we change managers I don't think it would be realistic for each new one who arrives to expect to build a new team. (Mind you, the same might be said for Liverpool.)

      Even before Hazard was signed Chelsea had a very weighty squad, so I wouldn't be expecting many new signings. I also wouldn't be expecting many departures despite everyone and his dog (Spot) saying our squad is old (it isn't) and it needs an overhaul (it doesn't). So, if a new manager had been appointed two weeks ago, I don't think he would have been very busy on the hatches and dispatches front.

      I don't know as much about LFC but my impression is that you're more in need of new players and you probably have some players to give away. But I won't argue if you tell me I'm wrong on that.



      Robert

    • Robert, not sure if you’re around as you seem to like to drop in and out of this board, but had a managerial question for you.

      I know further up this thread you had questioned the wisdom of LFC being without a manager for too long (2 weeks) and there is almost no time, even at the end of the season when most involved in football are trying to get a holiday, when nothing is going on. So, I was wondering if you’re at all getting concerned that a decision on the Chelsea job has not yet been made yet. Think it’s now over 2 weeks since your last match, and I thought Roman was going to make a decision on or around 1 June which has now passed.

      Now obviously Chelsea is not dependent on a manager to run the transfer activity (Roman likes to spend his money himself maybe) but will the activity going on now fit with whoever will be the gaffer next term, be it RdM or someone else.

      Is the holdup maybe that Roman is still trying to twist the arm of a certain Catalan? But if Pep is true to his word and there is just one club in England he'd fancy, and he's yet to say yes, maybe it’s not Chelsea, but how long is reasonable to wait to find out before not having a man at the helm causes issues?

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      • I'm trying, and generally succeeding, to reduce the number of posts I read on here, so it was a bit of an accident that I saw this one just now.

        First of all, I see Steve Clarke has been given the push. No doubt he will find employment elsewhere quickly. Maybe even at Chelsea. Who knows.

        Am I concerned about not having a manager? Not really. At Chelsea, the manager is the man who sits in the manager's seat on the bus rather than the man who drives the bus. And we all know the Chelsea bus is generally permanently parked anyway.

        We seem able to hire new talent without a manager, for better or worse. Most of our players are at the Euros, or some other continental tournament, or having a well-deserved break. We don't need any new players in my opinion, as long as we keep Bosingwa, but will probably acquire Hulk anyway. So the pressure is off for a month until pre-season training starts.

        If I had to bet, I'd bet that PG is indeed our manager next season, or at least contracted to us in some fashion. But I don't feel strongly about it. I'm not even sure he would be a good fit.

        I'll make a different prediction. Torres will still be missing sitters for us after our next manager is sacked.


        Robert

    • Here's something else to bite your nails right off Jason .. lol

      Guardiola could be back in the frame according to reports..

      So worth waiting for?

    • When a players contract runs down he is allowed to discuss and sign a deal with a new team from the end of the prior transfer window. Thats how we signed up the legends of Voronin and Jovanovic, also Pizarro and Ballack did like wise in a Jan window before summer Chelsea moves, thats why there is so much activity going on now. I think with regards to the contracted players such as Marin and Podolski, if the club is happy to sell then negotiations can be sorted before the window then rubber stamped on the day whereas you cant unsettle or table bids for players or make approaches without permission?

      The FFP instigation has to have a huge factor involved with the staggering amount of EPL players being released this last few weeks. Having had the homegrown rule come in whilst in the midst of lots of players contracts I guess it may have been policy to release a shed load of imports as the 18 foreign spaces become more and more valuable.

    • I see your Aurelio has been signed to someone else. Lots of players being released right now.

      Is this a good or bad week? Don't know, but I suspect there is more going on now than there will be in a month.

      Am I bothered about CFC not announcing just yet. No. I have a feeling our new manager has already been decided. If I'm wrong, and it's quite likely, I am sure those who negotiate for players at CFC are still out there doing their job. Which is different to my impression of what LFC are doing, but I could be wrong there too.

      My point is that to say there's nothing happening on the transfer front at the moment is just not right. There's plenty going on.


      Robert

    • Oh dear god... please tell me this cannot be for real anymore...

      I'm biting my tongue so hard I just may bight it off..

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